Hollow bow is WAY to overpowered

[lazy-dt]

Heres a log, im lvl 64 hes lvl 64. Im a mage with decent armor:

12:38: bower stabs your lower leg for 43 points of piercing damage!
12:38: bower stabs your lower leg for 51 points of piercing damage!
12:38: bower stabs your lower leg for 40 points of piercing damage!
12:38: You cast Adja's Intervention and restore 83 points of your health.
12:38: bower stabs your foot for 48 points of piercing damage!
12:38: bower impales your lower leg for 111 points of piercing damage!
<ELTank> I am fatally punctured by a bower

:|

[Qyan]

What armor are you wearing? Are you trying to dodge the arrows at all?

Q

[Virindi Clown]

Originally posted by lazy-dt
Im a mage...

Try wiggling while you shoot. That's what happens when you just stand in front of even a melee. It would have cut that down to like one shot. Then you would see that archers are actually the most worthless thing imaginable for PvP.

[AzulDrakkon]

Lazy, making up logs is for noobs.

<ELTank> I am fatally punctured by a bower
???

You could have at least tried to make it look realistic. Plus, if you'd learn how to pvp to begin with! :)

[Virindi Clown]

Lol I thought something was funny about that, but I didn't see the "bower" part. Come on man...

[KriegPfeil]

this thread is exactly why bow sucks in pvp though. if they were to make it balanced properly for skilled pvpers bow would be doing some serious ownage on the pink circuit on white servers. The impression I have gotten is that they don't know how to move at all, fighting pks is like fighting a target drudge, sounds like a real hoot or something.

[Heathen_X]

I use the hollow bow when I PK and while it does put out nice damage I rarely ever finish people off.

Once I get about 200 damage into someone if they have any skill then it is nearly impossible for me to hit them. If they haven even a bit more skill then that it becomes extremely hard to get even one shot to land.

The highest crit Ive seen with it is 147, that was vs someone with untinked gaunts.

[AzulDrakkon]

I crit some guy in al50 (well thats what he said) gaunts for 302.

I crit gsa for 100-120 usually, gsc for a little less, and tinked armor for 50-90 depending on how good it is.

[Silifi Of Death]

LOL. He gets shot 5 times in one second.


*cough*Doctored*cough*

[lazy-dt]

it was in one minuite, i changed the names, azul dont get me started, i didnt put down the peoples names because they didnt want to

18:29: Image gores your lower leg for 142 points of piercing damage!

edit- no matter how much i didnt dodge, he still hit hard when he did.

[Virindi Clown]

Out of curiosity, what is DECENT armor?

If you want to look at it that way, not dodging and getting hit like that might be a lot of damage. However, wouldn't war magic do just the same if you stood there?

And Silifi, I think those are hours and minutes, not minutes and seconds.

[lazy-dt]

"If you want to look at it that way, not dodging and getting hit like that might be a lot of damage. However, wouldn't war magic do just the same if you stood there?"

he is shooting rapidly on speed without a long animation that mages have. I did dodge a few but it was standing there typing when he shows up and within llike 3 seconds seconds im down to less than a hundred health

[AzulDrakkon]

You made up the log though, you've lost all credibility with me =\

[SpeedFreak]

LOL! bow and overpowered never go in the same sentence that is just too funny!

[Silifi Of Death]

Yeah, I see that now. I thought for a minute that he was using timestamps, just looked back at it and saw there were only 2 numbers.

Still, 40-50 dmg isn't good at all. A mage can hit for 160+ at least, and not much slower than the bow. Assuming the Bow is about 30 speed (i've never seen the new one) it'll hit about twice per lvl 7 spell.

111 crit is nice, but they're so easy to dodge, that even on the off chance that those ones that do hit you crit, you can easily heal it up.

[Immortal_Haze]

Hollow bow does indeed hit very hard at lower levels..the numbers don't seem too far off. I had a similar level archer hit me through 400 base stuff for a bit less than that.

However, bow is so easy to dodge that it really doesn't mean much other than when they hit, they hurt a tad. Then again, you could train missile and never even worry about archers.

[ElronOfDarktide]

When you, and everyone else, say 400 base... what does that exactly mean???? exatly???

Sure. The armors al says 400....but whats the protection vs the element you are being hit with???? If it is below average be sure to multiply your AL by .6

This means often when you post that you got hit thru 400 al it was more like 240 al !!!!!!!

Find some amuli thats at LEAST average to everything ... then you will have 160 more al in those circumstances. That is SIXTY SIX percent more AL.

You can get cov armor that is 980 al vs pierce damage hollows. Think about that before you talk about your al 400 stuff too.

and YES... the damn cov can be 1400+ to EVERY type of weepings.

Elron

[Immortal_Haze]

All pieces are average or above.

And I'm not going to hotkey a whole damn cov armor setup in case an archer pulls out a hollow bow lol.

[Virindi Clown]

All hollows hit hard at low levels. That's probably the real issue here. That damage wouldn't seem like anything to fret over for the typica level 126+, but in the 60s, it's something.

I really cannot believe they didn't adjust them at all after they came out...

[ElronOfDarktide]

Im not suggesting you switch to cov to deal with hollows.

Im suggesting you use cov as your ONLY suit of armor .....

cov that is unparalleled to every element (including tinkers with alabaster to make it 980 al to peirce hollows)

and as i said. this cov will be higher al then what you are wearing to any possible attack with weeping weapons as well as more then double the al vs hollows.

see this peice for a good example of cov that can easily go to UP vs everything.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v295/ElronOfDarktide/AC%20screenshots/THEPIMPCOV.jpg

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v295/ElronOfDarktide/AC%20screenshots/CovSollz.jpg

Peices like this are NOT that hard to find with melee or magic D reqs instead of missile.... make a good pvp suit of armor before you complain about damage that can be reduced.

Elron

[Aztek]

If I could hit wiggling people with every arrow my hollow bow would be overpowered.

As it is now it is underpowered as I cannot hit someone who wiggles.

What a perplexing problem.

[Shadow Esper]

hollow bow only does pierce..so why would it matter? lol u guys are funny an amuli suit we will say base al 410. willl cause a hollow bow to do 25-36 damage. hollow bow needs to be bumped up to 160% so we can keep up with ur HOLLOW SPELLS that go through my banes \ armor and do about 200+ damage...stop whining and dodge.

[Immortal_Haze]

Hi Elron, welcome to Reading Comprehension 101. Our exercise for today is to point out where I, in any way, complained that the hollow bow hits for too much.

You'll note I said that they hurt when they hit you, but that's not quite complaining about damage seeing as I haven't been killed by an archer in over a year.

[ElronOfDarktide]

it's called EGO check 101 actually. Don't think you are the center of the universe. There are many more people posting on this board then just you. It's not even your thread!!!! The main point of the thread is that hollow bow hits to hard. Sure, if you run around naked hollow bow hits unbalancingly hard. If you run around in sub optimal armor you can't complain about the damage you take. Thats my point. Disagree or agree?

Elron

[Immortal_Haze]

Since you were using "you" when replying to my responses, it'd be natural to assume the "you" in question would be directed at me, no? That's how I read it.

Apologies if I got a bit touchy. Been a tough week IRL and I'm probably oversensitive.

[Blau]

It's only overpowered if you're wearing gimpy armor and haven't trained Missile Defense. Change those two things and an archer will never kill you again.

Trust me. I know. :(