Heres a solution for all of you complaining about the expansion.

[-Vlaid-]

Don't buy it. Its that simple. If you don't buy it, you don't have to worry about leveling to 275. You won't have to worry about not being able to swear to a 126+ that is lower than you.

Seriously, if you all keep whining about this, this may be the last expansion Turbine decides to do for AC, since they get so much hate for it.

[Sunjhi]

I think Turbine staff are required to have a very fine BS filter, down to micronic levels. They filter out all the ranting and use that leftover .0001% to make the game changes:)

That's what I do when I read this stuff lol


Sunjhi

[Unicron]

Wow thanks for the insight...

And in regards to WOW, when it comes out goodbye AC population #s!

[-Vlaid-]

WoW isn't going to hurt ac's population numbers. the loyal ac fans who have played for ages will stay. everyone said that SWG was gonna hurt AC, but it didn't at all and neither will WoW

[ApolloAce]

I doubt Turbine will give up the improvements they plan and putting this game back on shelves..

They need to do something to attract attention or all this time and money will be for naught.

I highly doubt thier going to let UCMers or anyone else stand in the way of putting this game back in the running.

They most likely believe that what they are doing will put them back in the running.

Edit: The only thing that ever hurt AC's numbers was no marketing and no availability. No other game ever affected the population numbers.

[AFWriter]

With all the 'improvements' geared toward existing players in this expansion -- the only players buying it will be the existing upper-level players of AC.

At best, a number of players equal to the number of current AC players will buy it. There's no reason to a new player to choose AC and its expansion over other offerings available in the market at that time.

The only new characters will be rerolls of existing players.

And with the expected churn rate of subscribers, this expansion, based on the details released so far may well be the last expansion for AC.

What was needed was more emphasis on role-playing and depth of characters -- not caving in to the existing powergamer and exploiter mentality which currently exists -- and by this announcement may well grow.

Bottom line, games of this nature need new players to enter the franchise to offset its churn rate. With the exception of the new, playable character race, it appears all this expansion will do is drive an even greater wedge between the haves and have-nots of AC.

At some point, the have nots will leave, and then the remaining player base will become even more level-inflated and dwindle of its own accord.

This isn't a doom-and-gloom predicition, what I'm saying is that the current announced additions will do little to encourage new players to try the game and may well drive off an number of current players who will percieve(rightfully or not) that their ability to enjoy all the features of the new expansion will be hindered by such a prohbitively high level cap.

The end result will be an even smaller player base than what we currently have on many of the servers not named VT.

However, like the proposed elder land control game, I hope these ideas are merely proposals and can be rectified prior to the launch of the expansion.

I hope.

Later,

Don!

[Ghetteran]

hehe, AC's number will most likely drop by 1 atleast, when D&D online comes out, (maybe) but that wont hurt Turbine for me switching to it *grins*

[-Vlaid-]

Another assumption you are all making is that the game is geared towards high level characters. Are you forgetting that there is a new race that you start over at *GASP* LEVEL 1? Trust me, there will be just as much low level content as high level content.

[Unicron]

I'll bookmark this page and we'll see how well the population #s are when World of Warcraft comes out...

Game is similair to Asheron's Call and if you go to the World of Warcraft boards many of the people in beta are AC players who are enjoying themselves.

[sublimaze]

Unless WoW is a skill based system, not class based, does not force gouping for advancement, and has a nice random loot generator, a continuous world (no zones), as well as monthly, updated content/quests/lore, it is NOT like AC.

[Vlad Morbius]

What or how do you expect this 275 cap to affect your current playing? It's the same people today that abuse and exploit and it will be the same people after the pack is put out. Do you expect their mentality to suddenly change? To see the error of their ways? Don't be so damned naive. No matter what is done the gamers who act this way won't change. Look at it this way, you will have more options in where to hunt and avoid them. It may mean that someone besides a mage can make xp beyond the confines of Caul.
There is nothing more in the games current structure and the limits have been reached for far too many. What fufture does AC have in its current form? None. It will dwindle out and die off because those who've attained all possible goals will leave without new influx which means no income no AC. So wether it's all good or not this expansion is needed, the cap had to come off and the game needed to grow, or die.
I'd be interested in knowing how many of you posting against this have 126 charcacters and use treestats? Why do you use this? I'll answer that , it is to see goals attained, levels reached. This is the same thing, with more options to boot. Any of you who are complaining about this and are using treestats are hypocrites.

[Ai Rashoku]

I'll admit that by using treestats it had kept me playing somewhat, because I still had a goal to reach (levelwise..) so upping the cap will keep a lot of people in so they can keep leveling..

Its addictive.. hehee..

[Lokania]

"-Vlaid- Don't buy it. Its that simple. If you don't buy it, you don't have to worry about leveling to 275. You won't have to worry about not being able to swear to a 126+ that is lower than you.

Seriously, if you all keep whining about this, this may be the last expansion Turbine decides to do for AC, since they get so much hate for it."

~~~~~~~~


I agree with you 100%!

As my mama always said, "Don't let the door hit you on your way out." and she was also fond of, "Here's your hat, what's your hurry?"

[Lord-of-Light]

Don, I'll buy it, and, since my highest lvl char is a 62, I hardly qualify as someone with high level chars. And, as I noted in another thread, this game is as good at lower levels as it's ever been for those who emply a "do it on my own" game ethic.

And, Unicron, sublimaze mentions many of the features that any other game will have to have before I would even begin to get interested. Others would include the speed and smooth animations that AC has, and the ability to handle large mob combat onscreen. I think a lot of folks who play AC proze all these things and that's why they play AC rather than any of the other MMOGs already out there.

To be honest, I will probably try WoW when it comes out, but I have every expectation that I will be disappointed in it.

[Mildly amused]

Vlaid you should understand that a customer, who says: 'I dont like x, y, z about your product and therefor wont buy it' is more helpful then one who just doesnt buy. So the company can decide if x, y and z were the right decisions and rectify one of or -on that sunny day in late june when hell freezes over- all of them.

Turbine did so with the land control feature, now they are getting feedback again.

[Yinchi]

AF writer said it much better than I ever could. The concerns that are being expressed are not about you OR me. It is about the game.

Turbine has a reputation it must live down for ALL of their games to sell and survive. That is "Exploit early, exploit often". The new level cap sends the message to the gaming community that it is ok to exploit.

AC cannot cater to the "Elders", it will die. As "Elders" leave, we MUST have new players for the game to continue, Turbine does not have infinite money to support a game where the player base is too small to support it. I do not want our game to die. This is our concern, it is not about US.

Turbine needs to emphasize all the new content for new players, not set the level cap to impossible levels. As a level 171, it would take me 28.5 years MORE to level to 260 much less 275. New players need to have a goal. How many were so proud to finally reach that level 126? 126 will be meaningless, it will be just another level.

Instead of raising the level cap to impossible levels, give people a goal they can actually reach. How many left the game because the level cap was 126? They continued playing regardless.

[Fiction_LC]

^ and thats why there is 200+ places so you can make the XP to level dont you think they have thought of this already you must think turbine is stupid or something.

[-Vlaid-]

I can't believe you are all jumping the gun on this. That is nothing but childish. Have faith in the devs. This expansion will NOT BE ALL ABOUT 126+ CHARS. They are merely making a small part of it for 126+ and it will be for ALL LEVEL RANGES. When Dark Majesty came out, there were Olthoi dungeons on ML for ALL LEVEL RANGES. The reason they are adding 126+ content is because on treestats last time I checked, there were well over 11,000 chars that were 126. The devs stated a long time ago when a large number of people were hitting 126, they would raise cap. Personally, I don't see how this hurts the game at all, other than people complaining because they now have to hunt more to hit the cap. The game is not all about leveling, you should know that. You are supposed to have fun and not worry about levels.

Also, if they were only planning on making this to be towards high levels, they wouldn't be adding a new race. You do realize that you have to reroll to be a viamont, heh, right?

And you seem to think that this expansion should ONLY be low level content. If that happens, the existing people who own the game will not buy it, including me since I like playing my mains and not rerolling.

Plus, removing the cap is good for the game. I want to say wow when I see a high level char...like AC was 3 years ago. The 275 by no means more impossible than 126 seemed to those who first started. What will happen is the expansion will come, and people will see its possible to hit that from new dungeons being introduced for higher level chars. It will be streamlined so that you just keep hunting and continue to gain more exp/hr as you level, even up to insanley high points by todays standards, like 100 mil/hr. This is the sole reason I think they are nerfing caul. Turbine wants to add places in the expansion where people can get this exp yield, and they can't do it unless they buy it.

[Jhereg-HG]

"Heres a solution for all of you complaining about the expansion.

Don't buy it."


Exactly my plan. Complaining won't do any good. Turbine knows where the money is and they're doing an excellent job of catering to whats left of the playerbase.

I'll vote with my wallet.

;)


*edit to remove a wayward apostrophe*

[Yinchi]

Jhereg, I will give them time to work on this, I hope we are wrong and the changes will benefit everyone, not just the high levels. If not, the choice to leave is mine.

[arcist1]

"-Vlaid- you da man!!

[Kreez]

Don't buy it. Its that simple.

And here is the result of people following your advice:

Cause and Effect:
AC Expansion recieves a lower than projected ROI (Return on Investment) due to luke warm reception at retail.
Populations continue to dwindle and Turbine is forced to close down their ?6? year old game. Fans mourn the loss of their favorite MMORPG as Turbine is forced to shut it down due to loss of revenue and profitablity.

I'm not predicting this, but your fatalistic response to those trying to voice feedback that may be negative or counter to your opinion doesn't help.

[Silifi Of Death]

Wow, you people are SOOO melodramatic. AC1 has VERY good subscriber rates considering it's age and out-dated graphics engine, I don't know wtf your talking about when you say it's dying. AC2 which has a far better engine has far less subscribers than AC1, but I suppose it counts for nothing. :rolleyes:

There is nothing wrong with AC1's income for Turbine. It's their main money maker right now despite it's many flaws, and I doubt it's truly dying. If it were, I think we'd be seeing it through the content. These past few months have had LOADS of content, all new quests, redesigned quests, new creatures, updated graphics, probably one of the best story arcs since Gaerlan/Martine (although it had a slow start). And your saying it's about to DIE?!

Why the hell would Turbine continue to revamp AC1 if they were preparing to take it down? Why would they be putting so much effort into it if they weren't concerned about it's longevity? Why would they pay hundreds of thousands of dollars on a new server if they were just trying to hold on until MEO and D&DO came out?

MEO and D&DO aren't far from coming out, you know. Just a little over a year. If Turbine wanted to unload AC they could easily do so. Why would they go through the effort to re-engineer, and re-vamp a product that they are planning on getting rid of? If they were planning on doing that they wouldn't be updating AC, they'd just keep adding in a little content each month and keep the remaining servers up until their new MMOs came out, then they'd just discontinue working on AC and letting the subscribers come to their new games.

But that isn't what they're doing, you see. They've been working on AC1 far too much to show that they are getting ready for it to dwindle away. They are making sure that it stays alive, believe it or not, because it still matters to them.

[Lancelore]

Here in Holland ( The Netherlands) we are proud on our national soccer team.

Do you know how many coaches / trainers it has?

10 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The seize of the mature population in this country.

You get my point?

Just wait and see.