The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!!

[Lokania]

Just thought I would join the Chicken Little mentality that seems to be running rampant tonight.

I can't believe the negativity going on here tonight. The news about the expansion pack is exciting. I see it as a breath of life into the game I love.

Ok, all you alarmists can go back to your regularly scheduled anxiety attacks.

[ApolloAce]

Agreed

[Winter]

Im so happy the devs made a new forum for the expansion, so they could differentiate between normal AC *****ing and Expansion *****ing. :rolleyes:

[Vlad Morbius]

Indeed!!

[Balthazar]

/em looks up
/em gets sky in his eye
yup, it sure seems to be from all these people stomping around up there like spoiled brats

[Ai Rashoku]

Everything here is Dramatised to the hilt, and in the end, people get over it and move on and adapt.

Funny thing is, when you buy AC, it says 'the land is never the same twice.. forever changing' or something like that. You knew AC changed when you bought it.

So get over it, it changes.. you can't keep it the same forever..

[enoch_VN]

here! here!

[BillBraskey]

I really am disgusted by all the "OMG they are catering to UCM/exploiters/Chainers!!!! Expansion is teh suxor!!!!!! Whaah. I can't be at the max level now :( boo hoo hoo" whiners here. Seriously, there is VERY little that can be done to enhance the AC experiene that will not benefit exploiters. It's simply a fact of life. The raising of the level cap is a good thing. It allows people to keep advancing their characters. You don't HAVE to be a ucm or chainer to take advantage of this. Maybe it is impossible to reach the maximum level now without cheating or being chained there. SO FREAKING WHAT! Who cares. Just enjoy playing your character and don't worry that someone might be able to bypass turbines coc enforcemnt and ucm to that level. Why do people think that you must get to the max level.

Man i'm glad i'm playing city of heros right now. I have met some really nice people in AC, but damn there are a bunch of A-holes that play this game and are rampant on these boards. I feel sorry for the developers of AC, that they have to put up with the endless *****ing. Seems like no matter what they do, they get innundated with "OMG this sucks" posts.

[CouchAttack]

If any of you PVPed you would know the sky already fell, im posting on these boards trying/hoping/begging that the devs will change what they are going to do in the expansion so that I can resubscribe AC and have fun again.

[BillBraskey]

Well then good riddance. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

From this post and others that I have read, it sounds like you will not be "having fun" until you can be "as good" (i.e. as high of skills, loot etc) as those that have ucm'd and exploited in AC. Reality Check: This is never going to happen. You can either play for your own enjoyment and not let the questionable practices of others ruin your fun, or you can leave (as you seem to have chosen to do).

I have limited pk experience, but if others having maxed characters prevents you from having an enjoyable experience, I am really sorry. Maybe you should just move to a regular server and enjoy the pve experience. You can also do PKL and particpate in pk events there. I will say this though, giving MAX LEVEL characters an extra 10 credits or so IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM MUCH MORE UBER!! They are going to already have maxed the important combat skills. So I really don't see what the big deal would be. Unless max lockpick has some kick *** benefits that i don't know about.

[Sizlunt DT]

Bill, I think he may have been referring to the fact that they are not rolling our the resource control mechanic with the expansion.

Other than that, I agree with the spirit of the creator of this thread wholeheartedly. Let us just hope hope hope hope that they do not let these lil' weenies dictate the course for the rest of us.

[meridian59gar]

Wow, you guys have NO IDEA what you are talking about. You obviously have not considered the ramifications of the expansion pack's proposed changes.

That expansion goes in, AC dies.

Let's talk about the Level Cap Raising-
No new players will ever join. Why would they? Let's assume new players will tough it out to the very last moment that they still desire to play at all. - They'll log in at their puny level 5 (after training academy) and they'll see 250's running around all over the place. They'll think, "wow", and then go to level. At around 60 they'll start to think, "hey, this isn't as fast as i thought!" and around 90 they'll start to think "um this is getting boring and retarded...". At 130 or so, they'll realize that THEY WILL NEVER CATCH UP, EVER. They'll realize that their level 250 allegiance mates are doing all these cool quests and things that they'll never be able to do. Our new players, if they're even still here, will realize the game is a pointless and endless treadmill. Then, they're gone.

As for us current players, if you're not already 150+, you're either going to have to start UCM'ing and join a UCM "totem pole" allegiance, or you'll never be 150+. I, for one, have played for four years. I was level 63 or so, because I'm a girl and like to talk and chat instead of doing repititive garbage. After all quests started being too high for me to even attend, I downloaded Decal and ElTank. Voila, I'm level 104 three weeks later. Thanks ACM! But of course, now I'm out of levelling options. I've got VoD, and that's it, because caul has been nerfed. Do I want to go to VoD? No. Do I want to grind endlessly forever into the eternity of void just to reach 150? Nope. Certainly not 275. I don't give a D what you guys say, others being super high level DOES affect me. All content is geared towards super-high levels. Don't tell me it isn't. Do I give a D about the Helmet of Frore? NO! Nothing that isn't super-high level has been updated in years. Noone goes on any quests or hangs out at mediocre levels! I lose out on everything because I'm not UCM TP'ing my way into trillions of XP. I for one am quitting if this expansion goes live the way it is now. The threads that agree with me are all like 8 pages long. AC is going to lose a good percentage of its customers over this, and it won't be gaining any new ones.




As for the loss of the land-control game... just as big a mistake.

[Sizlunt DT]

If you leave with them it will be worth it.

EDIT
I say that because of this post that he made:

Buncha my friends and I built some old crappy computers, made out of spare parts and just good enough to run AC. We all connect via the same road runner port, because we put them in my basement. Fourteen computers all told, and we just finished writing a decal plugin that communicates between them and coordinates the casting of a spell on the same target all at the same time.

Namely, we're going to leave fourteen chars at a portal drop and have them auto-kill anyone that comes through with fourteen Harm VIIs.

I know at least two other groups who are racing to do the same thing.

Say goodbye to DT

[BillBraskey]

Originally posted by meridian59gar
Wow, you guys have NO IDEA what you are talking about. You obviously have not considered the ramifications of the expansion pack's proposed changes.

That expansion goes in, AC dies.

Let's talk about the Level Cap Raising-
No new players will ever join. Why would they? Let's assume new players will tough it out to the very last moment that they still desire to play at all. - They'll log in at their puny level 5 (after training academy) and they'll see 250's running around all over the place. They'll think, "wow", and then go to level. At around 60 they'll start to think, "hey, this isn't as fast as i thought!" and around 90 they'll start to think "um this is getting boring and retarded...". At 130 or so, they'll realize that THEY WILL NEVER CATCH UP, EVER. They'll realize that their level 250 allegiance mates are doing all these cool quests and things that they'll never be able to do. Our new players, if they're even still here, will realize the game is a pointless and endless treadmill. Then, they're gone.


First off, THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY 250 + CHARACTERS!. According to treestats, there are 54 characters on harvestgain (where I play[ed]) that are > lvl200. Of those, who knows how many are active. Frankly, I would be more discouraged with half the people being 126. That makes it seem like some elite club that you just have to make it into. Anyway, I don't buy the notion that haiving characters greater than level 126 will discourage noobs one damn bit.


As for us current players, if you're not already 150+, you're either going to have to start UCM'ing and join a UCM "totem pole" allegiance, or you'll never be 150+. I, for one, have played for four years. I was level 63 or so, because I'm a girl and like to talk and chat instead of doing repititive garbage. After all quests started being too high for me to even attend, I downloaded Decal and ElTank. Voila, I'm level 104 three weeks later. Thanks ACM! But of course, now I'm out of levelling options. I've got VoD, and that's it, because caul has been nerfed. Do I want to go to VoD? No. Do I want to grind endlessly forever into the eternity of void just to reach 150? Nope. Certainly not 275. I don't give a D what you guys say, others being super high level DOES affect me. All content is geared towards super-high levels. Don't tell me it isn't. Do I give a D about the Helmet of Frore? NO! Nothing that isn't super-high level has been updated in years. Noone goes on any quests or hangs out at mediocre levels! I lose out on everything because I'm not UCM TP'ing my way into trillions of XP. I for one am quitting if this expansion goes live the way it is now. The threads that agree with me are all like 8 pages long. AC is going to lose a good percentage of its customers over this, and it won't be gaining any new ones.

As for the loss of the land-control game... just as big a mistake.

You were probably one of the ones *****ing about how the land game was going to suck. Anyway, your whole attitude is what is wrong here. Why do you have to be 150? Isn't the point to enjoy the experience along the way? And what you said about all the content being for high level players is TOTAL BS!!! Anyone that has been playing the game knows this. I hope you do leave, and take a bunch of the other A-Holes with you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Lord-of-Light]

meridian, any existing or prospective player who reads these boards or the ACV boards knows that there are lots of lvl 126+ players (indeed, lots of hypothetical 200+ chars) already, and if they were going to leave solely because of the presence of those players, or the elements of AC that enable them, they would have already done so.

The game at low levels is just as good, or better, than it's ever been if someone wants to employ a "do it on my own" game ethic, and there is absolutely nothing about the XPack that will discourage those types of folks from trying out AC.

In general, the only people that complain about this kind of stuff are frustrated high achievers themselves, as you must be since you apparently felt some compulsion to go the ELT route.

Your highest level char used to be 63. Mine is 62, and has been 62 for well over a year, and I could care less what the higher level people can do, either now or after the XPack gets here.

I'll never understand why some people agonize/rant so much over how other people play the game...as long as how they do so is not against the CoC; those energies are far better spent getting out there and crusading for or against something that has importance in RL.

[Vlad Morbius]

"I, for one, have played for four years. I was level 63 or so, because I'm a girl and like to talk and chat instead of doing repititive garbage. After all quests started being too high for me to even attend, I downloaded Decal and ElTank. Voila, I'm level 104 three weeks later. Thanks ACM! But of course, now I'm out of levelling options. I've got VoD, and that's it, because caul has been nerfed. Do I want to go to VoD? No. Do I want to grind endlessly forever into the eternity of void just to reach 150?"

Stop trying to keep up with the Jones' and play the game to enjoy yourself. There are more areas to hunt at low and midlevel , then there are for high level characters, especially melees. My only hope in all this is that there is a tougher stance taken on UCM'ers so that people start to abide by the CoC, and the game doesn't suffer as much.
Look at it this way, all the people who ucm to get to the top level will put themselves in the same position they are now. They will have a maxed character with nothing to do. :cool:

[morrigan]

my one concern is this in reference to the "sky is falling"

Turbine says it will market etc to bring in new players, old players are watching this with interest too.

Show me what incentive there is for a new player to walk in and pick this box up off the shelf or an old one to return, for that matter.

[Yinchi]

Yes, the sky is falling.... at least for AC.

Our numbers went up when they opened the new server. Many flocked back (including some of my friends). When they found it was the same old treadmill, many left. With the new level cap, we are announcing we have a shiny new treadmill for us hampsters.

We MUST have new players. Veterans leave over time, it is natural and with new games coming out, even more will leave. We cannot just cater to our "elders", give them new content, quests and leveling areas but we must entice new players to the game. Turbine will not continue to support a game whose population is too low. They must offer incentives for new players to try AC, it is imperative or our "sky will fall".

Turbine has a reputation to live down or even their new games will not sell. That is "exploit early, exploit often". What kind of message does it send that we now have a level 275 cap. EQ had the right idea and it has a massive following.

[enoch_VN]

please all you who wish to cry.....don't let the door hit you on the way out.....stfu already

[Yinchi]

Enoch, we need all players, even those of us you consider whiners. When all of us who are concerned about the direction the game is taking are encouraged to leave... what game will you be playing. Turbine won't support empty servers.

[BillBraskey]

Morrigan, the incentive for new players is that the graphics are a lot better. Beyond that, I don't see anything that would specifically appeal to new players. I guess just more content combined with all the content ac already has.

Yinchi, why would people coming back for the VT server exect the game to be radically different when it's just a new server? For the life of me I can't understand why people are complaining about this. You have the opportunity to advance your character further. If you don't want to play your 126+, you don't have to. Play a reroll or find another game.

[Lokania]

You know what will hit new players the hardest? This treadmill attitude going around is what! When new players come in and some of the folks here say they MUST level, level, level to have a good time. They MUST reach level 100, 150 or 200 to compete. Since when was Asheron's Call a competition? (I am not addressing PvP issues; however, I feel the same way, PvP have *chosen* to compete and should not complain about the outcome of their decision)

If this game dies, we have only ourselves to blame for losing sight of what made this game fun for us in the early days. All those things are still there and more. It is up to us to make sure that message gets across to new players.

Will we have these new players spend their first days here inside a dungeon trying to hit level 30 only to move to another dungeon to hit level 50 only to move to the Phyntos dungeon for the next, what 50(?) levels? If that is how the new ones are indoctrinated into this game, shame on their patrons and monarchies.

Will the new players ever see the beauty of the Frore dungeon? Enjoy the challenge of the jumps the in Major Fire stone dungeon? Run the mountains around Qalabar "tasting" the snow on their tongues? Gasp when they reach the top of a hill and suddenly see the two moons above the ocean?

Shame on everyone who says this game is about leveling to compete.

New players should be encouraged to enjoy the journey, not have tunnel (dungeon) vision looking only at the destination.

I have spent over four years in this game and have one character 126+ never once have I felt *forced* to live in a dungeon. I have never once UCM'd, ACM'd or XPchained. If you enjoy the ride, who cares when you reach the finish line, or even if there is one?

The sky is not falling.

Just my two pyreals.

[Bob_Jones_LC]

There seems to be two types of people on these boards:

Whiners and Sycophants.

Odd, though, the sycophants often complain about the whiners. Personally, I prefer the people with tears in their eyes to the ones with brown on their nose. A baseless fear is a lot less repelling to me than complacency and blind worship.

Put me in the whiner column, giggles.

[Vlad Morbius]

"Bob_Jones_LC There seems to be two types of people on these boards:

Whiners and Sycophants.

Odd, though, the sycophants often complain about the whiners. Personally, I prefer the people with tears in their eyes to the ones with brown on their nose. A baseless fear is a lot less repelling to me than complacency and blind worship.

Put me in the whiner column, giggles. "

What exactly do you think she'll gain by posting her thoughts, some hidden secret to the first Elyssa's bauble? LOL It seems you're more concerned with exercising your vocabulary than your mind. Baseless fear, now thats a character trait to be admired :cool:

[Cash_we]

this is not bragging but... my (treestats) 140 level mage (yes mage) can solo anywhere... not telling is uber and does 50 millions each 10 minutes, but I can do what I feel like doing, so no need to hunt for exp... yes, its nice to get exp and become stronger, but Im not in a rush, I prefer to endlessly loot or just have fun, and at that point, I dont play my mage too often, I prefer to hunt with my other toons, then the expansion means Ill play with my mage more often. My only rant are the rares, but thats another history.

[ApolloAce]

Quite right Lokania and Cash,

The journey is why I'm hear and avery opportunity I get I teach the littles the granduer and glory of our little world.

They are few and far between over the last few years.

But, when the X-pac comes I look forward to the new littles I can show it to. :)

It took me two years to convince Cotho's to slow down, with the help of Cash and thier mutual friend Val, but he's coming around now. :)

People miss so many things because of this strange desire folks have for pushing so far so fast.

I'm sure Cash and I could sit here for hours regaling you with stories of Cotho's and his push for higher levels...lol.

He finally learned that there was no magic number of levels or skills that made this game fun, but just being here and knowing he was a part of our grand little story is what makes AC great. :)