Comment on the Darktide rollback here.

[Ibn]

n/t

[AzraelTheLost]

If this is the kind of support we can expect from Turbine now that they run AC, NO THANKS!

Instead of 3 levels and 2 loot items, how about you give me back the 40 hours Ive spent in the last week leveling?

This is the most pitiful display of lack of competency ever in the history of AC, All this in your 1st week at the helm of AC, I hope you get it together Turbine.

[Emeritus]

What do the people like me get for making a character on wednesday and leveling him to 53? Do I get THREE G-D LEVELS? WOOPIEE

You've just wasted more than 40 hours of my life leveling my character extremely hard on DARKTIDE OF ALL LEVELS NOT SOME o.O **** WHERE YOU GO FROM 0-150 IN A WEEK

Thanks alot! I'm gonna go cancel my subscription!

[AFWriter]

Ibn,

You did well. Don't let the DT flame police get you down.

This is honest and informative information.

The reward's awesome. I wish I could get this on my regular server!

I sincerely hope that all the future communication of this nature is as well-presented, concise and thought out.

I think you're doing the best with a bad situation.

Trust me, I'd let you know otherwise!

Later,

Don!

[wovlerinemtg1]

"I wish I could get this on my regular server!"

Sigh, i wish you newbs would go back to the server you come from. Darktide is different, you dont know how this affects us...its not like a carebear server.


Yeah, give us back the 30 hours we spent the past week playing the game.

How bout you take this opportunity to give us a NEW PK SERVER.

sigh

[Darth]

" Oh no the sky is falling in "

You would be saying different things if it was your houses that were affected .

These things happen .
Not much you can do about it !

Just think yaself lukky you are being given something .

[Zaqariya]

THIS SUX!!!

Cause some people lost **** from their houses, and probably some friggin' diamond shield hangin on the wall, every player who spent this week trying to get somewhere gets screwed!! In my opinion, the effort to level is worth WAY more than some **** lost from housing.

This sux and sux bad..ROLL IT BACK NOW and don't wait till Monday...at least we could have the weekend in to make up for it!!!

This SUX!

Zaqariya
Lvl 41 on DT
LVL 146 on FF

[DarkLegend]

Ok, a few things

One, if you don't play the server, no way, in hell, can you respond. It is not even effecting you...

Secondly


Agreeing with the other post, about lvl 1-50+, I Have power lvled , and helped 3 seperate friends, during the week, to all get 50+. This would probley make them guys quit.

However, a few questions result.

Does the reward, reward players from NOW, or when they use the crier...In other words, if thats hard to understand....

The rollback puts me back to lvl 50, if i reach 126 before the Feb patch, do i get the 3x 125-126?? or the xp from 50-53, making me lvl 126 and 1/2?

I am very disappointed in the result of this, and maybe you guys should've took the extra day, NOT to break something? I am not sure HOW much stuff was lost, however, it should have been ALOT if you're doing this. Not to mention noone playing the next couple days because whatever we do, will be ruined...

[Ibn]

Originally posted by DarkLegend
Does the reward, reward players from NOW, or when they use the crier...In other words, if thats hard to understand....
The rollback puts me back to lvl 50, if i reach 126 before the Feb patch, do i get the 3x 125-126?? or the xp from 50-53, making me lvl 126 and 1/2?

You'd get the 3x 125-126. So it's possible that you could get more XP from the reward than you did during the lost week.

[Emeritus]

IBN answer me this, when they reroll and i get to start all over again, i get 3 bonus levels to get to lvl 8 from 5 after the tutorial? that's all turbine is doing for peopel in my situation?

[Jessica]

Originally posted by AzraelTheLost
If this is the kind of support we can expect from Turbine now that they run AC, NO THANKS!

Instead of 3 levels and 2 loot items, how about you give me back the 40 hours Ive spent in the last week leveling?

This is the most pitiful display of lack of competency ever in the history of AC, All this in your 1st week at the helm of AC, I hope you get it together Turbine.

Let me make it clear that we do not yet run the servers or the datacenter; those have not been transitioned to us yet and won't be for a month or two. We were as surprised as anyone else to find that there was no tape backup of the world this week, as were a couple of the MS NetOps team. If there had been a tape back-up, this would have been a rollback of hours, not days. And I guarantee that when we own this, there will be a back-up taken daily and tape archives kept of them.

We apologize again for the lost time, but this is the best possible solution under the circumstances. I would hope that you would think of the people who lost everything in their houses, some of it irreplacable, and hope that if by chance ever happened to you, we'd do what was necessary to restore it, too.

[DarkLegend]

Please read my question about it bro, and you can see what he's saying

In other words

Make the best outa lvling the 1 month until Feb Patch...

Therefore, you'll gain alot more for it then....

However, IBN, i read this on the VN boards

"Patch is next Monday. They're probably looking to minimize the total downtime. It's semifunctional now, a rollback now would mean a bunch of downtime now.

Monday they can do the rollback concurrent with the monthly prop.

Which I know sucks for anyone who's had a house blow up. "

Just wanta ask the question, This right here, makes me not want to play, 1 bit, for any reason, until Monday. I rather face the downtime now, instead of waste my weekend. That is, if this is true...however, I thought you said in your post that you can't do it until then for some other reason. If you have to reroll, just do it ASAP so we don't lose an entire week, instead, 2-3 days...or is this not possible?

[DarkLegend]

And i guess, my last question for now...

Can you use this "reward" for the server blowing up, anytime we want, or patchday? or a month from patch day?

And what about the characters that aren't created yet? Well, they were but rollback messes them up.....Do they get a reward?

[Emeritus]

How about this solution dev team? maybe since you've completely ruined anyone who has started characters and leveled during this time, I propose making some sort of quick level advancement for lvl 1-40 or even 50 for 1 week after the reroll occurs, saving me all the trouble I've spent.


I can see how this could arouse problems with everyone rerolling 31337 templates and such, but I think that it would benefit peopel in my situation? I dont know I'm trying to somehow make my last week a complete waste of my time and my brand new subscription i got on Monday.

[Zaqariya]

Hey Ibn....

Now about that bow i stuck sunstone on yesterday...with my lvl 26 friggin mule....who has 30% chance....

Think I am gonna stick that again???

That bow is worth more to me in the 2 months I been playin DT than any of the **** I got on FF, which I have been on since game came out...

How about a free day of 100% imbue???

Given my choice of 3 levels exp, or the bow, i take the bow....

Sigh...just sigh...sighhhhh.............

After playing this game since early beta....this is one big shaft to take....

[DarkLegend]

I would rather no your solution, even though I know 3 people in your situation....simply because..

You will have 500 people from white servers, with a character, 4000 trade mules....and i think it would benifit WAY More than not....maybe something they could do to a single few players...if they could tell what lvl you are now if you've gained maybe over 30 lvls in 1 day? Possibly?

[Jessica]

Originally posted by DarkLegend
Please read my question about it bro, and you can see what he's saying

In other words

Make the best outa lvling the 1 month until Feb Patch...

Therefore, you'll gain alot more for it then....

However, IBN, i read this on the VN boards

"Patch is next Monday. They're probably looking to minimize the total downtime. It's semifunctional now, a rollback now would mean a bunch of downtime now.

Monday they can do the rollback concurrent with the monthly prop.

Which I know sucks for anyone who's had a house blow up. "

Just wanta ask the question, This right here, makes me not want to play, 1 bit, for any reason, until Monday. I rather face the downtime now, instead of waste my weekend. That is, if this is true...however, I thought you said in your post that you can't do it until then for some other reason. If you have to reroll, just do it ASAP so we don't lose an entire week, instead, 2-3 days...or is this not possible?

This is not the reason. If we could do it any sooner, we would, believe me. We don't like waiting the weekend any more than you do. We were all set to do it today, until we found out about the lack of a tape back-up at the new datacenter.

[Blau]

Developers:

Many of us in the AC community are computing professionals. We know you can do a better job than this proposed solution and now that you're stepping up to the plate to make AC better, we really expect that you will. This is your first big test. (well actually the server move was your first big test, but the fact that we're having this conversation means you blew it). I know *I* could do a better job than this, so I'm completely confident that you can too. Let me outline it for you:

Some people will be happy about your proposed solution. Making 3 levels for free is awesome. However, some people will be ripped off by this either because 3 levels doesn't mean much to them (maybe they gained 10 levels this week) or because they value the items they got in game this week more than XP.

How can you satisfy both customers? With a little database magic of course. If you don't have a DBA that can pull this off, I will send you some resumes of people that I know could do it.

Before you take the servers down for the rollback, you take a snapshot of everyone's XP and their inventory. Not just their level, but the total amount of XP they've spent on everything (for those past 126). Then after you do the restore, you run a procedure that compares the current XP + 3 levels you're giving for free with the XP you recorded for each player the night before. If the player had more XP than you're going to give them, then you adjust their XP to match what they had before you took the servers down. Something like this:

if (lastNightsXP > lastWeeksXP + ThreeLevels())
{
CurrentXP = lastNightsXP;
}
else
{
CurrentXP = lastWeeksXP + ThreeLevels();
}

You're going to be doing the bottom line anyway. You might as well put a little effort into it and do it right.

Now for the people that have uber items that they acquired, you do the same thing. Take a snapshot of everything in the inventory database. Every item should have a GUID which shouldn't have changed since last Monday. Then after the server is restored but before you let people login, you simply give people back in their inventory whatever was there the night before the rollback as long as the GUID didn't exist a week ago. This will mean people that did trades will be bummed out, but you have to give back only *new* items or people will trade items the night before and abuse the system. If the item was there and is stackable, then adjust the stack size (writs, MMD notes, etc).

C'mon guys. We know you can do this right. Yes, it's going to take a little effort, but it's really your only option if you want to do the right thing.

[Ibn]

The January event isn't scheduled for Monday, it's actually scheduled for Tuesday at the moment.

So why are we waiting until Monday? It's actually the earliest we could possibly do it. The backup was done in the old data center, before the move, and we need to get it moved over to the new data center before we can restore it. This isn't trivial, and we need to make sure we do it correctly.

If we could bring the servers down right now and do the restore, we would.

[crouching kiwi]

why the wait till monday for the roll back couldn't it be done asap so we can get back into playing to recover some of the lost items xp that we have spent the week getting as well as the weekend which is going to be wasted knowing that what ever is achived is a waste of time


any one want a major focus breast plate found on thursday ?? going cheap u can use it over the weekend

[hobbes-tls]

I think this is absolute ****.

since the servers have come back up, I level from 119 to just shy of 126. I would be hitting 126 in about 10 hours from now.

My truck broke down and I was unable to go to work so I made the best of my time and literally level 18 hours a day at approx 17 million an hour with an Attended macro.

Yet you are choosing to reward me with 3 levels. AFTER the prop. After the chains have been hosed. My Trade mule who is my grandpatron is also losing out.

Seriously... what were you thinking. Roll Back NOW.

I could have made another 2-300 million EASILY this weekend. But now... no I am just wasting my time.

It could also be speculated that because of all the people trying to level before the prop that this was done intentionally.

If evidence of that speculation is EVER brought to light, I can see turbine being in some serious hot water.

It's Bad enough I got a 3 day ban WHILE RESPONDING TO THE ADMIN DURING A MACRO CHECK (ibn I sent you this log) yet was I compensated... no... that was another 3 days and 300 mill xp I could have made.

STOP SCREWING WITH THE GAME RULES: They were fine how they were, add content, but leave how the game works alone. DO better backups more often and stop (antagonizing) on your player base with weak reparations.

It's bad enough yer rasing prices, ya gotta screw us out of hard work too.

-Hobbes Rakhir
A VERY Disgruntled Guild Leader

[DarkLegend]

To computing boy..

Ok, solution, 1 problem..

If i were in there shoes, I would not go through THAT much trouble, however, please notice how this can help EVERYONE.

I am still against it btw, but this is just what i'm using on my friends to talk them into keep playing ac (can i see a free month for me!? =) j/k..

If you can lvl from 1-100 in another 3 weeks, even with a chain, or no, saying you have 1 month left of chains, 3 weeks really for us or so...

Then that 3 lvls at the end, when u cash in your reward will be FAR more usefull, than the 40-50 lvls you gained that week. Saying its not really an entire week worht of work, because you and me both know about it now, so you will not be lvling the next few days...I'm sure...

3x 125-126 = how much xp approx?

I know enough to make me try to get to 126 in 3 weeks....I know you can do 115 in 3 weeks, I had a friend lvl 55 in 2 days.....much less 3 weeks...

[DarkLegend]

Heya hobbes..

It wouldn't be 3 lvls from what you are NOW, it would be 3 lvls from what you are come patchday in Feb...

Now, again, my question and i know you guys are reading these asap from the response times on the above topics..

Can you cash that reward in whenever you want, or do you have a deadline?

[Quaoar]

3 LEVELS?!?!

I got around 1billion xp the last 4 days, and this was from hunting. If you are going to compensate us, at least let it be something which won't have us feel cheated.

ARGH!!!



THIS IS DARKTIDE!


NO ONE keeps important stuff in their houses. ARGH


*grumble*

At least let us have 10 levels!!

[Dirtnapp]

I just created a char.
no friends no help.
I have off work this week, and been playing at 5am, so I can minimize the number of potential pkers. I been skulking around getting some levels and trying to get those damn Gold letters (boy the drop is aweful and few places to go).

roll back only the housing data.
it is the only way to satisify the majority.
I think the majority of the DT playerbase is losing out on a lot more because a few people lost items the had stored/hooked in a house.

[Blau]

Addendum:

You'll need to take a snapshot of people's spell tabs too. Some folks have been working all week to get their level VII spells (pulling SIK chests for a week is a royal pain) and some have gone on big quests (tusker island, aerlinthe, etc). Should be easy to give them their spells back after the rollback.

Gear that has been tinkered should be restored too. Again, should be easy. If an item previously existed but has been tinkered more times than it was a week ago, then you give them the version with the more tinks on it.

Also, you'll have to look not only in the inventories, but also in the housing chests. Either that or tell everyone to put the new stuff they want to retain on a character instead of in a chest.

If the IT department here at work tried what you guys are proposing, they'd all get fired.

[Gimp Hawk]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!
Darn I guess I'll hit level 126 when I log in (again) LOL since I hit 126 on Tuesday...
Too bad I can't place myself to take new and improved screen shots but that's ok
:)


Question... could that explain the very strange behavior that's happening with some of our characters at the vendors and and salvaging, etc?

While some may be angry at all of this, I think you guys are going above and beyond to make up for it. I'll get more XP in one night than I have in a couple weeks

:)

Sorry you guys had problems with the move and thank you for doing everything in your power to fix it... while some may not appreciate your efforts... I am one who does!

[Blau]

LOL. Dirtnapp's solution is probably even easier. Just replace the housing items. If the item already exists in the world (same GUID) then don't restore it because they obviously didn't lose it. If you lost track of the GUIDs for whatever reason, then just do it anyway even if it means duplicating something because it's better to give us something we don't deserve than it is to take away something we do.

Man. That's easy.

Unless of course you're actually *trying* to punish us... which I must admit is a possibility (though there are many of us here not worthy of punishment). :)

[Zalliun]

Originally posted by Blau
LOL. Dirtnapp's solution is probably even easier. Just replace the housing items. If the item already exists in the world (same GUID) then don't restore it because they obviously didn't lose it. If you lost track of the GUIDs for whatever reason, then just do it anyway even if it means duplicating something because it's better to give us something we don't deserve than it is to take away something we do.

Man. That's easy.


Since none outside of tubine knows how the database logs transactions noone know if this is even possible.

loosing a week is prob alot less than the time it would take to rolllogs from 2k+ users for a week

[Lange|Red]

So we are also getting screwed out of like a week of or more of membership to our subscriptions. What about that? Since the time servers went down for database move. Till the time we were playing and now is lost... so that's like not even playing at all. Also the downtime for the January patch. Your also raising prices and we are losing game time. Seems like a far trade to me...

I know your "trying." I think you need to try harder. It seems to me your taking the shortest (and in your opinion) the best way out. To the players that lost items, that sucks. I know I would be pissed too, and in a way I am. For the items that I have found and what not I'm going to lose too now. So instead of you being in the boat sinking like you guys were, my boat just got hit and is starting to sink. If you understand what I am saying.

I guess you guys try and I give you an E for Effort.

Red Lange - Level 151
Lange 4 Life!
4 Years+ playing AC

[Quaoar]

I just don't get the 'reimburse' thing..


I couldn't care less about two high-quality items, why? Because I'll just go and kill monsters at Ancient Temple if I want items. And most of those items will suck anyway.

3 Levels? It's not even close to compensate me for the hunting done the last 4 days.

WTF! In a wiff you have taken away 4 days of game play which I'll never get back. Because your 'reimburse' doesn't even come close to what I managed to aquire the last 4 days.

I just can't believe it. Did weeping quest on two chars, did SS gaunts for two chars, got the recall spells I lacked... Everything in vain. And how is it compensated... Ohh yes. The equivalent of 10 hours of hunting. -LOL. Now, that's a punch in the face if you haven't experienced one before.


Hey, I've got an idea.
Tell the admins to (ignore DT) for the next month, just keep to the white servers, so we can do some serious UCM'ing. This would benefit all of DT, since if we don't like macros, we kill them.


Wow! House rent paid?! 30k pyreals. Now that's a nice gesture. I would have had a hard time paying that, so thanks...
At least give us a free month of playing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AzraelTheLost]

Have everyone on DT give their 2 items to the 150 that lost their houses, and everyone will be happy...


Ill be first in line to donate mine...

[LiquidX]

ok, im an idiot and a lot of this is confusing me so i need some answers with yes and no and point form.

-I went from 34-37 since the "move", so now if I keep on leveling to say 40 by this tuesday (or whenever the hell we get the rollback) I will get the XP I would of gained from leveling from 37-40 and still be 34?...

-When is the gift XP day, and Should I or should I not be playing AC right now? cause im not gonna play if it's all being taken back BUT if it's worth it to gain a few levels to make a bit more XP please tell me.

[Lange|Red]

LMAO! @ AzraelTheLost

[Ibn]

Originally posted by LiquidX
ok, im an idiot and a lot of this is confusing me so i need some answers with yes and no and point form.

-I went from 34-37 since the "move", so now if I keep on leveling to say 40 by this tuesday (or whenever the hell we get the rollback) I will get the XP I would of gained from leveling from 37-40 and still be 34?...

-When is the gift XP day, and Should I or should I not be playing AC right now? cause im not gonna play if it's all being taken back BUT if it's worth it to gain a few levels to make a bit more XP please tell me.

The XP gift will happen with the February update.

If you are at level 40 when you get the reward, you would get leveled to 43. If you make it to 100 by then, you would get leveled to 103.

However, nothing that you do today will impact that as come Monday, you will be rolled back to last Monday.

[Dirtnapp]

you see the possible exploit?

create mule..get 2 items...mule them
Delete Mule...create mule..get 2 items..mule them
Rinse..repeat x1000

[listenmirndt]

A house contains a backpack, and a storage chest -

150 people lost theirs,

the darktide server homes 1-2000 players id guess.

if 150 players lost everything - their characters, and all the items on their mules, it would be ample sufficient to justify the lose of 1 weeks work for 1-2000 other players.

1 week is enough time to aquire most of what might of been lost, some folks might have it more severe, others im sure had very minimul loots in their homes.

If -all- of a players loot was kept in his house, that might be a reason to consider a rollback, but facts are that most players keep most of their loot on their mules. is 1 week of lost effort, on the part of over 1000 players enough to justify the loss of 2 backpacks worth of items effecting only 5-10% of the server population?.

This is a bad decision.

If i we're one of the effected few, Id be voicing my consent to take a bruise for the good of the many.

I think a reconsideration needs to take place.

[Gafoon]

Dirtnap, they'll probably check the birth date of the character first.

Also, for those 126+ people whining, they're talking about giving you something like 450Mxp (161Mx3) for your trouble. That's nothing to sneer at even for a level 126 char.


It sucks, that's absolutely the case, but it's not the end of the world.

[Lange|Red]

Is this a final decision? Are you going to rollback? So we can go screw off... and run around nakie?

[rakiner]

While I don't totally agree or like the decision made, could you at least do something fun on DT until monday? Maybe give everyone max skills and max xp, or something along the lines of what happened on shadowclaim, at least it would give people something to do, something to not moan about.

[Gimp Hawk]

I just wish I could play at all....
Nothing works STILL

:(

[cognac]

when do i need to get my gift? (on patch day our do i have all month to level and get my gift just before the next patch?) (is there a time limit)
when is february patch?

[Dogloks]

The proposed solution to the server malfunction does not seem logical to me..

150 houses were affected, and by all means they should not just lose their items. But is it worth aversely affecting THOUSANDS of players to fix this?

The rollback in itself will remove BILLIONS of xp, THOUSANDS of items and questing timers/recall scrolls. It seems very illogical to hurt so many people in order to just fix a handfull. In fact, in essence you will be losing MORE items with the rollback than you will be returning.

Your proposed solution to this is reimbursing all DT characters 3 levels (for time spent leveling) and two high quality items. Any character that even played MODERATLY for the last 5 days (and the next two) will have gotten more than 3 levels and 2 high quality items.

If you're going to rollback (which seems completely illogical, why does the minority outweight the majority?), you should atleast sufficiently reimburse the other players who's time and hard work you're taking away.

I am biased because I am a player of the server, however I do strongly believe that a maximum of 480 million experience and 2 high quality items does not make up for a weeks worth of playtime. Please, consider giving us something (possibly something that's unique to DT only, just an example) that will make all the lost time, experience, items and questing worth it.

Thanks,
Bryant

[Quaoar]

Korias, reality is calling on you!

Please try and return from your imaginary fantasy world where you somehow believe you have the ability to 'read' other people minds and reasons for doing things.

[Krazed]

I hope the 2 items are really worth what I will end up losing in the reroll...

I finally got the majors I have been looking for and accumalated alot of plats and notes.

Any hint at what the items will be?

[Cruath DT]

Ok can we get a final answer as to whether or not there will definately be a rollback please.

If I'm going to lose lvls 106-110 I wouldn't mind screwing around on dt now and get my moneys worth.

No complaints from me here. I think what your doing is a great compensation for the loss even though it may be that we lost alot more. I think the 2 pieces of loot are probably useless though.

Its understandable that this happened due to the servers being moved and I think the rest of the move was done very nicely. Be a little more careful in the future :D

Thanks for a great game!

[Ibn]

Originally posted by Dirtnapp
you see the possible exploit?

create mule..get 2 items...mule them
Delete Mule...create mule..get 2 items..mule them
Rinse..repeat x1000

Yeah, we thought of that -- it won't work.

[Cruath DT]

Oh by the way, feel free to make the new server pk to silence the whiners ;)

http://forums.turbinegames.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=884&highlight=Cruath

[vizigoth]

heh, looks like DT PKlite for a few days :D

[Ibn]

Originally posted by Cruath DT
Ok can we get a final answer as to whether or not there will definately be a rollback please.

Yes, there will definitely be a rollback.

[Dogloks]

Why not just overcompensate all the people who lost their housing items? Put 1000 MMD's in the chest or something that completely overcompensates what they have lost. Then you won't be affecting THOUSANDS of other people..

[listenmirndt]

here here.

its about the math.

150 dosnt compare to 1-2000

[hobbes-tls]

Once they announced the rollback...people went nuts... I myself totally blew up weeks worth of planing and effort to redo my main into a perfect sworder. I aflipped him around from an archer.

Blood mansion near mayoi master mage though has hundreds of corpses on the landscape.

You can literally loot di's from just about any corpse to restock before engaging them

have fun kids... the rollback is set... now that I am obver my initail irritatedness I am having fun but the lag in the major battle zones is a bit harsh.

-HR

[Xed_DT]

IBN

"Yeah, we thought of that -- it won't work."

This is what I'm worried about.


Player A levels as much as they can before March prop to max the amount of xp gift from a town crier.

Players B-? do the same thing.

Players A-? are all lvl 50+. They get together and form a fellowship and then decide to go talk to the town crier.

I don't even want to do the calc to see where the people in a fellow with lvl 126's would get to after they all talk to the town crier; thus producing even more free xp for the fellow.

And if that's not bad enough,... if the people in the fellow talk to the town crier in order from highest lvl to lowest lvl then many people in the fellow will actually level many times before it's even their turn to talk to the town crier.

Please tell me I'm wrong about this Ibn. This is potentially a lvl 126 button.

[Ibn]

Yeah, I'll check into how that XP will work w/regards to fellowships and allegiance XP.

[Grayson]

Ibn, several people have asked:

When will the 3-level reward have to be used by?

Perhaps a set amount of xp for various levels would be better? Ie - For a character under 50, give X amount of xp. Under 80, give Y amount of xp. 81-126, give Z amount of xp. For 126+, give 2*Z amount of xp?

[Dogloks]

Ibn,

I feel I have raised a very valid question, why is the minority being considered over the majority? Why can you not just overcompensate the 150 players that lost their housing goods instead of hurting 1000's?

What is the logic behind this decision? I know something needs to be done to fix the problem, but I just don't see how this is the optimal solution. It seems like the solution you chose is the least fair to the most number of people.

[listenmirndt]

adding my voice to Dogloks question.

why dont we put it to a vote?.

id be curious infact to see a poll composed of only the hurt players.. how many of them want a 1 week rollback?.

If it we're me. no damn way 1 week of effort is more valuable then the loot i had in my house.

[Cruath DT]

To Dog:

I may be wrong but arround 150 accounts were affected. At peak on DT there are abour 800 connected. 150 accounts are alot.

[Ibn]

Originally posted by Dogloks
I feel I have raised a very valid question, why is the minority being considered over the majority? Why can you not just overcompensate the 150 players that lost their housing goods instead of hurting 1000's?

We looked into the possibility of successfully identifying and then compensating the players whose homes were affected by this, but we simply do not have the ability to do this in any effective manner.

Basically we had to consider what folks tend to keep in their house storage versus what items and XP they may have obtained during the week. It was a really, really hard decision to make, but in the end we felt that the items that a player keeps in secure storage tend to be some of the most valuable items that the player owns.

[Ibn]

Originally posted by Grayson
When will the 3-level reward have to be used by?

I believe you would have to use it before the March event. I wouldn't recommend waiting that long -- I imagine folks will be hanging out near the town criers more than usual during February, just waiting for other players to come along. Luckily, there are lots of town criers.

[Korias]

Bah, apparently my attempt at defending the Devs was "out of line" *shrug* whatever.

I still think that they are doing a fine job, despite the fact that I have to word it differently to be more diplomatic.

DT is a harsh mistress, but that's the life of being pk. Sorry it was your server guys, but mistakes happen, stop flaming. I play it occasionally, and I'll be glad to be a newb run around get some xp, and then have the ability to go and get a couple of extra levels on top of everything. But then, I'm not trying to be 126+ on it either :D

[Quaoar]

Cruath, you think that 150 is out of a total of 800? Think again. Lets say that for every player ingame we have at least 10 players (a pretty safe bet) NOT ingame for various reasons. Maybe they'll play later, maybe the just logged off, maybe they are going to play in two days.....

150 out of 8000 is pretty low, and it's possibly even lower.

[Xed_DT]

Ok, I felt like doing the numbers.

One lvl 50 and one lvl 126 in a fellow.

Lvl 126 talks to crier and gets 3 * 78124908.5 = 234374725.5

Lvl 50 gets 75% of that = 175781044.125

Lvl 50 now has 231,700,667.125

Lvl 50 just became lvl 68.

Now Mr. lvl 68 talks to the crier and becomes lvl 71

Now imagine that with a full fellow and 50% xp sharing.

[Dogloks]

"It was a really, really hard decision to make, but in the end we felt that the items that a player keeps in secure storage tend to be some of the most valuable items that the player owns."

While I feel that this is up for debate, do you honestly believe that MORE items were lost in the 150 houses that were corrupted compared to the THOUSANDS of players who were obtaining items (and even putting the valuable ones in their houses!) for a WEEK straight? How many actual items can you fit in a house? 300 is probably a very generous guess, and I would say that more than 45,000 items were obtained and distributed in a week by all the other players that were not affected.

Also, take into consideration that on DT most of the usable items that are obtained are ON CHARACTERS. So the majority of "good" or usable items obtained in the last week are now going to be gone, yet the small amount of usable items kept in chests remains.

I see your predicament Ibn, and I agree it's a very harsh call, but the reimbursement of two items and potentially 480 million xp just does not seem strong enough to compensate all the other losses that thousand of players will be feeling.

[Preka]

Cruath - at peak, it's usually closer to 1000 logged on.

Ibn - It's not like you would have to provide those who lost their storage with exactly what they lost. Simply overcompensate them. Overcompensating - even to an obscene degree - 150 people is much preferable to rolling back and then UNDER compensating the entire DT population.

One other comment...

"Basically we had to consider what folks tend to keep in their house storage versus what items and XP they may have obtained during the week. It was a really, really hard decision to make, but in the end we felt that the items that a player keeps in secure storage tend to be some of the most valuable items that the player owns. "

This is only valid reasoning if the rollback ONLY affected the people who actually lost something in their homes. I'd be willing to bet that the items and XP generated by the entire DT population in one week VASTLY outweigh the value of what was lost in those homes.

If you insist on going ahead with a rollback, you should SERIOUSLY consider dramatically increasing the compensation you intend to give us.

[listenmirndt]

Poll :

http://www.fw-e.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11

[DarkLegend]

I kinda like the idea rakiner had..

Why not down the server for us for a few hrs, make it fun as hell, maxe everyone out or something, then let us go at it fora few days? That was actually a good idea...i mean, we won't be wasting our time, and no matter what you guys do, it will be fixed Monday.....so, why not??

[Cruath DT]

Originally posted by Quaoar
Cruath, you think that 150 is out of a total of 800? Think again. Lets say that for every player ingame we have at least 10 players (a pretty safe bet) NOT ingame for various reasons. Maybe they'll play later, maybe the just logged off, maybe they are going to play in two days.....

150 out of 8000 is pretty low, and it's possibly even lower.

I doubt there are 8000 accounts that use Darktide. 150 account is 750 players worth of items. To me I see that as being alot.

[Blau]

At a bare minimum, you can at least give us our XP after you do the rollback. That's gotta be absolutely brain-dead simple and if you can't pull that off then you simply don't want to even try. I find this shocking since you're obviously trying to do the right thing or you wouldn't have even considered the rollback.

[Spears'R'Us]

They should let us fellow and share the xp from Town Crier. That would reimburse most of the xp earned over the week.

[Polar]

I think this is stupid......Everytime I ever had a treasure-loss bug, I was never compensated for it.....Many people left due to the first rollback, why make the masses suffer for 150 houses....I don't care about my xp...I can always get that back...I'm talking about the loot and whatnot. I just rendered a great sword and another wand......what's the point of trying until monday? Makes the game pointless....I've said it once and I'll say it again....You can't expect people to play if there is no incentive....You can't do something this big without there being some type of problem...I think the ramifications of this rollback won't be in your favor....2 treasure generated items? Please.....I don't think the people of DT can be bribed, because that's what this sounds like...Just because you screw up doesn't mean that your "band-aid" will make it better......

[Krazed]

I seen alot of ideas of what can you do for the weekend since nobody is going to really want to quest or level the next few days..
One of the best I heard is to give everybody perma buffs and banes and allow us to just kill each other with out having to rebuff until the rollback

[Danilo Thann]

This is 150% a disaster!

I firmly believe that Turbine is in a massive panic regarding this issue and will not let it happen again.

I am a senior Technical Architect and cannot belive that this sort of data loss is even possible in an environment such as this! That is what I find scary.

Turbine. I noticed you have a postion for Information Technology Manager PM me and we'll talk!

[Entropathic]

Originally posted by Danilo Thann
This is 150% a disaster!

I firmly believe that Turbine is in a massive panic regarding this issue and will not let it happen again.

I am a senior Technical Architect and cannot belive that this sort of data loss is even possible in an environment such as this! That is what I find scary.

Turbine. I noticed you have a postion for Information Technology Manager PM me and we'll talk!

Try actually reading the thread. Especially the part where Jessica explains whose responsibilty this was.

[Aargau]

The folks who will be hardest to reimburse are those who spent this week getting the Caul Recall scroll and the Bracelet of Dark Essence. Next patch the caul gets much more dangerous, which makes those two activities much harder.

I happen to be in that group unfortunately. I ran 8 of my characters through to get flagged, to get the bracelet, and one to get the recall scroll. What a week to chose, eh? :)

If you don't give us enough time before the patch before you upgrade the caul monsters, some folks won't be able to get the bracelet for their less viable chars.

[DarkLegend]

So devs, is there anyway you can make the server fun for us this weekend? Perma buffs? or anything to make us wanta play....I like hte maxed thing out, but perma buffs sounds good, if possible......Please just say yes or no instead of ignore =0)

[folken]

I have been playing on darktide for nearly 4 years and I think that if you look back and consider, Turbine has done far more to try and make amends for this rollback than microsoft ever did. Admittedly it is a inconveinance, but in the end they have compensated quite well for it, when microsoft would have done absolutely nothing. i congragulate them on trying their best to resolve this issue.While it is sad for those that lost time and stuff over the rollback try to think how you would have felt if all the stuff in your house that you had collected over years disappered. A week of time playing is at least is much easier to replace and it is not like you play just to level have fun enjoy the game don't wry about a few levels. Also take this weekend as a chance to pk non-stop since there is no chance of losing anything. I'll see you guys on darktide hopefully fighting en masse. Have fun everybody.

p.s. Could you guys plz fix archers in pvp, they are still by far the weakest template and almost noone plays them now.

[Bosscat]

Are you kidding?

Thats Chump Change!! And you must think we are Chumps to "enjoy" it!!

How about the Xp required to go from the start of 123 - 126!! Huh?

Now that isa a more fair compensation for lost Xp than less Xp than it takes to go from the start of 124 to 126!!]

Get a freaking grip!!

[AnotherDude]

I don't play much on DT so take that as you will.

But the information is honest and up-front. If I had a choice of losing XPs (which can be re-earned) or housing (which might not be re obtainable), I'd go with keeping my house every single time.

Thanks.

[Bosscat]

Are you Nuts? The only housing not available is Villas and there is at least 1 a day on the listings as it is. Last I looked, there were 95 Houses avaiable and over 400 apartments!! I can loan you am MMD if you need one! (no)

[DarkLegend]

ahh , 115 houses+

[DarkLegend]

I just want a simple yes / no on the fun weekend thingy's =P or maybe a MAYBE if there thinking about it....

Just to know if its possible and practicle they can do it and let people play for 3 days..

[Unicron]

Karma...

[vizigoth]

quote:
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Originally posted by Dirtnapp
you see the possible exploit?

create mule..get 2 items...mule them
Delete Mule...create mule..get 2 items..mule them
Rinse..repeat x1000
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Originally posted by Ibn
Yeah, we thought of that -- it won't work.


Will whatever steps you have taken to prevent that exploit
also keep anyone from being able to roll up a newblet on DT
Monday or Tuesday and benefit from this?
Granted some folks might have started a reroll this week, will
allowing them to benefit enable folks from other servers to
come over and benefit though they were not inconvieneced at all?


It's not that it really bothers me, I just want to be able to back it up
when I say nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah....

[Sigma]

It should be like 10 levels for anyone that's under about...70
Then 5 if you're 70-115
Then 3 if you're 115-126


Or something close to that....or whatever

[HeXt]

I'm still puzzled there's 150 people actually playing DT... :confused:














Bwahahaha j/k







What I wanna know is, this exp, can a newb level up now and use it LATER concidering the character existed during this rollback?

This might be a good insentive for new -blood- (No, not BLOODS, but blood as in people) to come to the server. :) Yeah, I got a level 15, and I was curious.

Ok, thanks.

[HeXt]

Originally posted by Ibn
We looked into the possibility of successfully identifying and then compensating the players whose homes were affected by this, but we simply do not have the ability to do this in any effective manner.

Basically we had to consider what folks tend to keep in their house storage versus what items and XP they may have obtained during the week. It was a really, really hard decision to make, but in the end we felt that the items that a player keeps in secure storage tend to be some of the most valuable items that the player owns.




You guys couldn't launch the backup on a test server and compare the 2 ?

[Emeritus]

I cannot think of a time where I have come closer to quitting AC. I'm using my friend's account name to post on this board. Anyways, we played a bunch this week. Imagine 20 hours of mind numbing twinking of a melee from 1-50. The same thing. Over and over. I'm trying to imagine doing it again. I can't. But you seem determined to rollback, so let me comment. Your 2 "Uber Items" is a huge mistake. If you make them standard sing loot, people will feel shafted. If you make them majors/low ws high al armor, you destroy the DT economy. I just don't see how this can work out to make people happy. I've been reading the DT and Dev boards on VN all day. I have seen 4 who play DT people happy about this rollback. Guess what they have in common? They lost items in their housing? Nope. They haven't played all week. GREAT JOB. If this fix was what was needed, you would see many people besides the white server folk rejoicing. At least you would expect a bit of happiness from people, but all I've seen is either anger or "W00T DIDNT PLAY ALL WEEK PHAT LEWT 4 ME!!!11" My advice to you: Rollback to whatever the last time you have saved before you announced the rollback and people went insane. Try to overreimburse the people most effected. If this is not possible, there is one thing I will tear my hair out if it not there. I'm going to say this a bunch of times in the hope that you will see it.

MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW
MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW
MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW
MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW
MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW

Even if it is 50/50, or 33/33/33, this is the only way I can think of that you can make up for the lost time. If I wanted to twink my level 50 with my 126, in this time I could have him into his 70s or 80s. For the love of god let me do that at least. Honestly, the only levels that this really benefit from your current idea is 100-140. Below it you can easily make more than those levels, and above it, the xp from 125-6*3 is barely enough for the final point on a maxed skill, or a few points at 100 mil a point. That sure as hell isn't a week's work to me. At the very least let me give the xp to a friend. Even then, that's not going to fix the fact that I twinked him from 1-50 in 3 days of hardcore leveling. Feel free to substitute "boring" in place of hardcore.

Still, I say go back to the last save before you announced rollback, and I can gurantee it will make 90% of the server 100% happier. Live up to your motto. SHOW US THAT YOU ARE DRIVEN BY YOUR FANS. We have made our protest clear. For every player who liked this, there are 20 who don't. Ok, I'm done ranting. I'm begging you.

[vizigoth]

"What I wanna know is, this exp, can a newb level up now and use it LATER concidering the character existed during this rollback?"



buried earlier in the thread Ibn basically stated that yes
you can level up after monday and the AFTER February's patch
you can use the Town Crier, though he did say it might be gone by March

*shrug*

[Preka]

I would like to say this once again.....

If you insist on rolling back the server...make the reimbursement WORTHWHILE. 3 levels and a couple of items are peanuts to most of us - certainly not recompense for a weeks worth of lost work.

[ArtilexOfDarkti]

Well, I guess it's the best you can do... I guess I will just have to wait even longer to re-do my chars skills.

My question was... if you are in a fellow with someone when you get that XP... will it be shared? If anything I wouldn't allow that... very easy way to get some people to level 100. I'm sure you have already thought of that.

They shouldn't give more than that... Yes some people have worked really hard but then some people havn't worked at all. So for not playing for a week I can come in February and get 3 Levels of XP and 2 items. Everyone has rought times, deal with it.

I guess I wont be logging into AC this weekend... no real point left.

Don't worry Turbine, you guys are doing great.
Everyone starts out rough...

Good luck!
-art.

[Krazed]

How does this roll back affect quest timers such as skill credit quest? I was set to finally specialize sword monday. Do i have to wait an additonal week?

[Death_Dealer]

ive leveled 8 times in the last 4 days hunting VOD, not ready to do it again... made trades with plats but not ready to trade again (tinked suit at that), horrible decision Turbine. 3 levels doesn't cover the cost of 8, items won't make anything better because now my armor will be n00bish once again. Pretty sad, oh well, I figured something like this would happen, unsubscribed as of now. Good luck to all out there, and continue to have fun on servers.

[Ivanhoe]

My problem is why didnt we get a choice in this matter?

Why wernt we asked for feedback before any kind of anouncement decision was made??????????????????


With the announcement of a rollback 100 % sure now means there is no way u CANT do this rollback . 100s of people are running around like fools becauce everything will rollback monday so all that they do now means nothing .


I have tons of uber major items in my house chest that were probably lost (i dont know because i havent been playing much ready to quit ac all together)

I made tons of xp through chains as well.


While the little "rewards" are at least Somthing. It just isnt enough imo.


And what are these so called 2 high vauled items????????

Unless they both have double usefull majors on them i dont think they will be usefull at all.


And if the servers are still up right now
WHY are they???

Take them down shut it off

And give any DT player/account a free month of gametime.

[Emeritus]

I'd love if you could discuss my earlier post, but this one key point in particular. What great outcome do you see for DT if everyone gets 2 of these phat lewt items? If they are regular sing loot, it's not worth it because that stuff is too easy to come by. If it's low ws/low val/high al armor or major stuff, all it will do is ruin the DT economy so everyone has full major suits and the like. Darktide is about competition. We're not happy to be equal to our enemy, we want to e be better. It just doesn't make sense to me; I'd love if you could explain.

[Ivanhoe]

Yes and make any kind of XP share through fellowship like the Old days of Evis lair quests.

Sure this gives us Some more xp.
Some more xp over the little amount that u have told us to expect (3lvls)

[jxjxjx1024]

So we can we get a free month of UCMing? =)

Since this is darktide we can handle macros ourselves, its part of the game here on DT.

I think I have only heard of about 2 or 3 DTers who are against UCMing.....and hundreds that are for it

[AnotherDude]

Bosscat said:

Are you Nuts? The only housing not available is Villas and there is at least 1 a day on the listings as it is. Last I looked, there were 95 Houses avaiable and over 400 apartments!! I can loan you am MMD if you need one, maybe you can buy a clue!!

------------------------

:o

Guess I better take you up on that offer.

That being said, its one thing to have any housing, another to have housing in a place u want, maybe with friends/guild members/location etc.

Still - it does kinda take the gloss off my argument.

Cheers.

[AzraelTheLost]

Originally posted by AzraelTheLost
If this is the kind of support we can expect from Turbine now that they run AC, NO THANKS!

Instead of 3 levels and 2 loot items, how about you give me back the 40 hours Ive spent in the last week leveling?

This is the most pitiful display of lack of competency ever in the history of AC, All this in your 1st week at the helm of AC, I hope you get it together Turbine.
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Let me make it clear that we do not yet run the servers or the datacenter; those have not been transitioned to us yet and won't be for a month or two. We were as surprised as anyone else to find that there was no tape backup of the world this week, as were a couple of the MS NetOps team. If there had been a tape back-up, this would have been a rollback of hours, not days. And I guarantee that when we own this, there will be a back-up taken daily and tape archives kept of them.

We apologize again for the lost time, but this is the best possible solution under the circumstances. I would hope that you would think of the people who lost everything in their houses, some of it irreplacable, and hope that if by chance ever happened to you, we'd do what was necessary to restore it, too.


__________________
Executive Producer
Asheron's Call

If I were in charge of moving a data center, I would make sure of these things, are you trying to tell me you contracted a new data center for this game and you didnt even check it out 1st? Your pulling my leg right? What do you have to say about this?

LET ME TELL YOU A STORY!

1.5 years ago a charater name The Grand ARcher II lost everything in his villa, that was 2 years of hard work and items, many of the items were things that wernt in the game anymore, after much effort it was explained to him that "there is nothing we can do, we have no way to know what you had, sorry!" THIS PERSON WAS ME! So yes, I do know what it feels like, and no, I didnt expect the whole server to take a rollback to compensate me for this...

You guys are pitiful in my opinion.

[Ibn]

Originally posted by Blau
At a bare minimum, you can at least give us our XP after you do the rollback. That's gotta be absolutely brain-dead simple and if you can't pull that off then you simply don't want to even try. I find this shocking since you're obviously trying to do the right thing or you wouldn't have even considered the rollback.

Trust me, if it were that simple, we'd just do it.

[Ibn]

Will whatever steps you have taken to prevent that exploit also keep anyone from being able to roll up a newblet on DT
Monday or Tuesday and benefit from this?
Granted some folks might have started a reroll this week, will
allowing them to benefit enable folks from other servers to
come over and benefit though they were not inconvieneced at all?

You'll likely be able to roll up a new character at any point before the February event and still benefit from this. It may be possible to prevent that, I'd need to check with srand.

[Ibn]

Originally posted by HeXt
You guys couldn't launch the backup on a test server and compare the 2 ?

I suggested doing exactly that during our discussion today, not knowing that it's just not possible. I was corrected by the engineers.

[Ibn]

Originally posted by Krazed
How does this roll back affect quest timers such as skill credit quest? I was set to finally specialize sword monday. Do i have to wait an additonal week?

I don't believe so... the game knows the last day -- real time -- that you picked up a spec gem. It won't adjust that for the rollback, so your timer will expire on the same real time day that it would if there were no rollback.

I think that's right, I'll ask one of the team members just to be on the safe side.

[Preka]

Ibn I understand you guys are in a tough place, but honestly...this is a situation where overcompensation would be the most fair for everyone. I understand that you cant just give everyone back everything they lost, but you should seriously consider giving considerably more than is currently planned as reimbursement - it's just not enough, as has been stated by many players.

[Born of Hatred]

This idea while good in nature does not go near far enough, i was a pauper 5 days ago, until i bought a decked house, sold some of the stuff within for a good price and went house hunting for 2 days straight. After coming up with many more valuables many of which i also sold off i came to a decked villa which loaded me up and made me rich. This rollback will lose me 5 tinked suits ( gloves / shoes / helms included) 3 scint gems, tons o plats and money, and over 24 tinked up weapons. I house / villa hunted for 5 days and with some incredible luck got this far, luck that cannot be duplicated, now u tell me not to despair because even tho i'm a poor bastard again i get 3 free lvls and some junk randomly spawned off a town cirer ? which no doubt is so high craft its not even worth tinking ?? Let me put it clearly, while i apprecaite the thought this is not near enough, and if this is all that is intended to be done in compensation then i'll quit this game and go back to shadowbane. And i'm not alone, listen to those people who power lvled from 1-50

[Binky]

"This idea while good in nature does not go near far enough, i was a pauper 5 days ago, until i bought a decked house, sold some of the stuff within for a good price and went house hunting for 2 days straight. After coming up with many more valuables many of which i also sold off i came to a decked villa which loaded me up and made me rich. This rollback will lose me 5 tinked suits ( gloves / shoes / helms included) 3 scint gems, tons o plats and money, and over 24 tinked up weapons. I house / villa hunted for 5 days and with some incredible luck got this far, luck that cannot be duplicated, now u tell me not to despair because even tho i'm a poor bastard again i get 3 free lvls and some junk randomly spawned off a town cirer ? which no doubt is so high craft its not even worth tinking ?? Let me put it clearly, while i apprecaite the thought this is not near enough, and if this is all that is intended to be done in compensation then i'll quit this game and go back to shadowbane. And i'm not alone, listen to those people who power lvled from 1-50"

5 days ago you were doing what the rest of us were doing, enjoying (maybe not from the sound of your addiction) a day AWAY from AC, aka 5 days ago the server wasn't even up. The "items" you are losing are nothing you even worked for. You got lucky some schmuck forgot to pay his month rent. Go back to Shadowbane if you actually think "the biggest dissapointment to ever hit the online market" is better than AC. If you were a "poor" bastard how did you buy the house in the first place? Vacant houses are RAMPANT accross DT, so don't act like it's a rarity to find one here =P When I needed a house for my friends new account it took me a total of 15 min or so to find one. I'd really like to know how you were villa/house hunting while the server wasn't even up. As are probably 99% of the posts in this thread, your post is full of BS hoping to make Turbine feel sorry for you, and replace some fiction items you never even had.

Give em a foot they want a mile? They've never even offered something like this in a rollback before and now suddenly they do and everything wants MORE MORE MORE.

You guys act like this is the first rollback to ever plague AC or any other MMORPG for that matter.

[crowndragon]

The Team can't possibly make everyone happy, no matter what they do to rectify the situation.

I can't say I'm pleased by a rollback, but I'll deal, it's not like we haven't ever had them before, and they are trying to compensate us for the it.

I think you may want to re-think the 3 levels of XP though.
The 3 toons I play most are all over 100, (115, 114 and 121).
3 levels is very nice indeed!

I'm concerned for lower level players though, I don't think you have taken into account your own system of diminishing returns.

Lower levels over the course of a week can gain much more than 3 levels easily.

Perhaps you should look at giving everyone the same amount of XP, though that is probably not the best solution.

Or as I saw in a prior post that recommended something along the lines of varying the levels of XP.

3 levels for 100+, and a greater amount as the charecters level decreases, so that the lowest level bracket of toons would gain more levels worth of XP.

I think you have made a tough decision in a tough situation,
keep up the good work.

[Jessica]

Originally posted by AzraelTheLost
Originally posted by AzraelTheLost
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Let me make it clear that we do not yet run the servers or the datacenter; those have not been transitioned to us yet and won't be for a month or two. We were as surprised as anyone else to find that there was no tape backup of the world this week, as were a couple of the MS NetOps team. If there had been a tape back-up, this would have been a rollback of hours, not days. And I guarantee that when we own this, there will be a back-up taken daily and tape archives kept of them.

We apologize again for the lost time, but this is the best possible solution under the circumstances. I would hope that you would think of the people who lost everything in their houses, some of it irreplacable, and hope that if by chance ever happened to you, we'd do what was necessary to restore it, too.


__________________
Executive Producer
Asheron's Call

If I were in charge of moving a data center, I would make sure of these things, are you trying to tell me you contracted a new data center for this game and you didnt even check it out 1st? Your pulling my leg right? What do you have to say about this?

A) We weren't in charge of the moving the datacenter. MS NetOps was and, when you consider everything that could have gone wrong moving that much hardware, they did a pretty damn good job. This problem aside, the rest of the move went well.

B) The tape back-up exists at the new DC, it just wasn't hooked up to the four AC1 worlds that were moved on Monday and Tuesday. I can only guess that since they were taking daily snap-shots on a local drive and over-writing them each day, this was considered sufficient until all 8 worlds were in place. It was just pure bad luck that this became an issue after the daily back-up to that local drive was taken.

As a player, you have every right to consider our competence as part of the equation; you do it every day when you choose to play or not play AC and every month when you choose whether or not to keep subscribing. In a perfect world, there would never be a rollback involving days; however, this isn't a perfect world and these were unusual circumstances. All we can do here is our best to make it right; there is no perfect solution.

We apologize again; as players ourselves, we understand fully the inconvenience here and we regret that it was necessary.

[Polar]

ok...I need to know....if I created a character and leveled the **** out of him this week, will he still get the 3 level BRIBE if he get erased due to rollback....

[Calladyn]

It was bad enough losing a week but where some people lost their housing items I loose 2 characters I got to 50 and my housing alltogether so when I log in not only will I be missing a lot of hard work but my housing as well.

As far as I am concerned the reward looks like a complete waste. Unless the items are really "uber" I loose a lot so some people can get some crappy housing items back.

Thanks for nothing turbine...

This is enough to make me quit and go to a game with more professionalism or atleast one that is worth the 13$ a month. :mad:

[Rebel Yell]

All in all a very well thought out compensation. The 125+ will get more xp then a level 8 because they were more likely to of made better xp anyway.

A lvl 1 that levels to 50 within that time period wouldn't get back to 50 however they have already proven that it isn't that hard or they have nothing better to do with an entire week anyway.

Don't know about the loot giveaway, I'm assuming it is going to be a random sing loot giveaway. Low levels will get the shaft here since they will be ganked and even if they get something usefull it will drop. But thats ok also since we are on DT after all.

Lot better then a pack doll wouldn't you say.

[Emeritus]

First: If I rerolled one of my characters during this time and he gets whiped out at the rollback, when I turn in my gem for 3 levels I'll turn lvl 8 from lvl 5? For a total of 10,000xp at the most?


Secondly: Addressing my friend's post on this name, what will be the deal with sharing xp for the turn in? I see no reason why this couldn't be a fair idea considering the amount of xp lost during this time period for more than 2 reasons:

a) if people were trying to get some noob to lvl 100 sup3r fast, not only would they waste be wasting all the exp they've missed during the week, but also lost completely everything that Turbine has tried to do about their loss.

b) It would take a coordinated large group of 100+s just to get 1 reroll to over 100+

c) If large amounts of people are dumping their xp into a n00b, then a small number of people will be maxed out, and that was due to them having many friends in high places. Either way, if you think about it, if they had friends in high places to start with, they would be PLed to 100 in under 3 weeks, constantly leveling at vod and other places.

Not to mention the ease it is to change templates these days.

And in addressing what I had first said, why not make somehow for everyone under level 50 the xp set for a level 50

lemme explain: A lvl 10 turns it in and gets like the same xp that a lvl 50 would get for lvl 50-53

I guess this would hurt lvl 50 people, and really owuldnt benefit the lower level characters, but I think it would be more realistic than getting them 10,000 xp for a week's worth, while going from 0-55 in less than this time was what I did.

kthxbye

[Allura]

WOW!!!! i find it amazing that SO MANY players have 40+ hours a week to play this game, and they all made SO MUCH xp during the week that will be rolled back, and they all found SO MANY UBER items, landed SO MANY imbues that they can't afford to do any of it over again.



although it does make for better drama to lose UBER stuff and 5467474976497 billion XP and 3756 tinked/imbued items, i wonder how many of them are telling whoppers?

[Korias]

After coming up with many more valuables many of which i also sold off i came to a decked villa which loaded me up and made me rich. This rollback will lose me 5 tinked suits ( gloves / shoes / helms included) 3 scint gems, tons o plats and money, and over 24 tinked up weapons. I house / villa hunted for 5 days and with some incredible luck got this far, luck that

Ok, say you did get lucky and find all that stuf....Guess what? You now know where those houses are, and where that villa is. At the very least you must know where the villa is, so just go back to it as soon as the servers come back up and purchase it...

A lvl 1 that levels to 50 within that time period wouldn't get back to 50 however they have already proven that it isn't that hard or they have nothing better to do with an entire week anyway.

I must agree with Rebel Yell here. You guys did it once, and yeah it really stinks to have to level the tedious levels, especially on Darktide (I know b/c I've played many low lvl toons and get frustrated at dying every few minutes). I definetely agree that the 3 lvls of compensation should only apply to those past a certain level, as those in the lower levels could make that fairly easily (especiallly 1-30). But, that's the break we are getting. I've seen only one other server rollback that I can remember (and was actively playing during the time), and that was the pack dolls. I don't know how much they were trading for on DT those first few weeks they were introduced, but I know they were and did go for a lot on other servers.

My personal opinon, the game is just that, a game. It's there for enjoyment. No one makes you guys play. Just keep in mind that we are all (players and devs) people with jobs and responsibilities to others. Sometimes we can't please everyone in our jobs. Imagine yourself in a similar position in your workplace with a lot of disgruntled customers (assuming you work a service/retail that involves customer a high volume of customers).

[stafia]

I don't think this is fare , you are ignoring the low levels with the experience given after rollback, and when i say low levels i ment ppl just joined the game . eg: if a person has joined server exacly after the move after rerol he must start all over again with nothing, and on DT as low lvl is damn hard.
Then i agree a lvl 1 can't get same xp as a lvl 126 that can't be good too (everyone would have all characters 50+).
I sugest giving same xp to high lvl but to low lvl give then xp to reach lvl 50 or something eg: a lvl 10 to recive xp to reach lvl 40-50 ,a lvl 50 to reach 55 ,a lvl 60 to reach 64 ..., BUT GIVE THIS XP TO ONLY ONE CHARACTER PER ACCOUNT.(like the housing)

BTW i just bought the game 2 mounths ago and if something like this would haped to me then i would quit the game.

[Emeritus]

I Agree with stafia about the low levels getting screwed here.

[DarkLegend]

Ok, see if your not going to do something "fun" for the weekend outa it, then I , along with probley my entire allegiance, and probley another 500 or so people that seem they will get nowhere aren't going to play, simply because you are now offering a service you can't uphold until monday.

See, thats 1 week out of 4 wasted. I do not see why you guys just charge 7-8$ instead of 10 next month. Yeah, 2$ isn't nothing, but if your gonna just let us sit here another 3 days not playing, Monday its down for rollback, Tuesday its down for patch....

Can i forsee that the patch will bomb, and take up wednesday?! I've seen that before, and its been ok, but that would go on 2 weeks of downtime.

[DarkLegend]

nice...logged in a few mins ago, 323 clients connected.......

Thats fun, we obviously can't even pk...

[wovlerinemtg1]

Because you are rolling back monday, there is absolutely NO POINT in playing this weekend. I'm sure many people would be somewhat happier if you at least gave us a reason to play. Max everyone out and let us have a good time. Do something unexpected until that will give us reason to play.

[rakiner]

I am severely dissapointed with the decision to pay all houses monthly payment. In the past week, I have obtained 2 villas, one of which contained a 10 tinkered suit of armor. This will be gone, along with the chance of getting it again, because turbine is going to be paying for that houses payment, along with all the other houses! Oh, and on a sidenote, while getting my second villa something special happened. I was waiting at the villa for a friend to bring me all the items needed for it, when the landblock crashes. I tried to login but my character was stuck. So I go on my other character and my friend says the there is nothing there, no doors, not items on the walls, and no crystal to buy the villa. So. We waited for everything to reappear, but the villa was still on the house available list. Needless to say, a lot of PKs came and a large battle ensued. After a while we lost, so I decided to look for the house's special item on my character, since no one else knew it. I got it, and then went back, finding nobody there, and the housing crystals back. Bought the house, but all the items in it were gone. Same bug as the one why the server is being rerolled. One thing I found out though, is that only the loot in the villa was gone, not in the dungeon. So, this bug isn't nearly as bad as they make it out to be, since all the chest items are still in the villas! Maybe not for the cottages, but the villa chests were unaffected. Just thought I'd let you know! Goodbye villas...

[DarkLegend]

I've noticed a couple questions, 'Did you guys poll us to ask us about a rollback?"

Ok...First off, i'd like to state, there would probley be 150 people to say yes, rollback....

After that, of course, everyone else would vote, no rollback...

I am against it myself, although they have to do , what they have to do....

I bet there was more to it, that they're not telling us, saying he's answering the questions he wants to answer....I just wish they'd do something fun for us for the weekend...perma buffs - max everything out, let the devs or something go pking in a town and we can fux em up....something..ya know?

[Lil_Monsta]

Can we atleast get the xp reward to be comparable to our lvl past 126? Some of us are lsing a lot more exp and items than the ppl who lost items in their house. If i am lvl 193 and i get 400 mill then i just gained 2 hours. I think its only fair to comensat everyone justly.

[DarkLegend]

You do not, and can't get 200 mill xp per hr...if you can, your chain whoring incrediably to much..

[Lil_Monsta]

You can and we DO without breaking COC...atleast i don't.

[DarkLegend]

unless you chain whore, you can't make no damn 200 mill per hr...or u you have 12 vassels, and there vassels are all hunting, your vassels are hunting, and u'r doing 20-30 mill per hr in lucana, therefore your in blood, and your chain whoreing..

[Lil_Monsta]

I don't understand what chain whoring has to do with anything. You in your infinate wisdom said it wasn't possible..i stated it is and we do. Whoring or not im not breaking any rules. Get off my 8's

[DarkLegend]

you can't whine about the 460 million xp you will recieve, because you simply can't make that in 2 hrs of YOUR time.....That is my point bro....but looka t your post, u said "we do it" then you said "but i don't"

[Lil_Monsta]

the i dont was in reference to the breaking COC

[Gothmog]

This whole rollback thing is actually pretty cool in it's own way. It forces everyone to have fun while playing for a weekend and not worry about levelling the chain, etc. I have never seen such a bloody slugfest as I did at the Blood Mansion last night. It was a total free-for-all rumble with Blood vs. Blood vs. everybody else. It was quite fun to be able to finally take on some of my monarchy compatriots that I am never otherwise allowed to fight. It was great fun. Everyone sit back and relax and enjoy the pvp slugfest weekend. Take a break from chain levelling!!!

[Gothmog]

Will we be allowed to take EACH character on our account(s) to a town crier for the reward or will we be limited to just one. The wording of your announcement says a "one time reward". Does the one time refer to each character or each account? Thanks!

[Ibn]

Originally posted by Gothmog
Will we be allowed to take EACH character on our account(s) to a town crier for the reward or will we be limited to just one. The wording of your announcement says a "one time reward". Does the one time refer to each character or each account? Thanks!

One time per character.

[coma_black]

well i don't get whats so hard to understand.
we get to nonstop pk all weekend, yet most still run for lives even though they will lose nothing.
monday we get rolled back a week, tues is JAN prop.
level for a month, then whenever FEB prop comes we get 3 lvls plus our items.

now yes it sux you lose your noobs but exploiting by create a mule get reward delete, repeat will not work. i'm sure it will be implimented in about the same fashion as pack dolls were.

for all those worrieing about there xp, what the hell are you on dt for xp or to pvp. you have 3 more days to pvp lose everything you got on ya and it will be back on you, if you had it previous to the server move.

my last word is this, generally when something like this happened or people lost items in thier house what did we get for that? a big fat nothing , maybe a sorry.

the fact that they are at least trying to make ammends says alot in my book. suck it up life goes on.

[wovlerinemtg1]

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[Whisp'r]

Ibn et al.

I appreciate your effort at compensationg us this time. I can recall rollbacks in the past (pyreal pea bug) wherein everyone was penalized for someone elses goof up. During that bug I was around level 20 and did not see the light of day because I was in a dungeon leveling and selling. I didnt know what a pyreal pea was, but ...blammo all my time wasted. In hind sight, no biggie.

I actually didn't play that much this week until Saturday morning when I completed exactly 2 pincer quests, one skill cred quest and 2 each attribute redistribution and spec/unspec quests.

Basicially, I did things I needed to do on both if the chars I play. Now I just have the same things to do again that I have done before (pincer, skill cred, spec skill...lol). The only one of these that will be any trouble is the skill credit and thats only because of finding Aun Relerea.

Granted these things took my time, and time is of different value to everyone (I value mine...don't care so much about yours!...lol), but consider the person who had some 10x tinked armor in his house that was just GONE.... If I was initially angry upon hearing about the rollback....Imagine if I was told I was going to get TRADE NOTES for my suits of tinked armor....OMG, LOOK OUT..now I know this isn't likely but it is possible.

Its hard to look at the other side but I really had to so I could swallow the big lump in my troat when I found out about all my wasted time. Just thinking about the average time spent and the average gain made this week id say that the reward is fine.

Now for everyone that went out and leveled like mad all week. You got the levels once, so doing them again for a week will be even easier. I'd bet you can even do more this time, since first time was practice.

For everyone that traded for something or tinkered something they just wont be able to live without. Anyone who has played this game for any length of time (even before 3rd party apps.) knows, DON'T DO ANYTHING IMPORTANT ON OR JUST AFTER PATCH DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Common sense would mandate a server move would have similar dubious effects.

Finally for Turbine and the reward. Time seems to be the biggest issue for the players. How about a month of free play. Adding up all the unexpected down time I have experienced since Jan of 2000, I'd say that would really clean the slate and make the transition of ownership to your crew a new beginning.

My other concerns reflect those addressed earlier regarding possibility to exploit this reward in some way.

I think allowing points to be increased by fellows is a bad idea and will introduce another variable. Level reached by feb is fine as a measure of what someones reward should be. The number of people you can coordinate with each of your 5 chars to be on at a given time in a given place will give too much advantage to large allegiances over solo players or small clans. Especially in Darktide where you cant just run around a town asking, HEY WHO WANTS TO FELLOW THE TOWN CRIER??? so....

PLEASE DON'T LET THIS BE EXPLOITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH, and for the people crying I MAKE 400 mill in 2 hours. Didn't the recent changes listed for chain exp fixes make it known how the devs feel about these folks?

[Binky]

Best advise to the Dev's, ignore this thread and lock it. 99% of the posts in it are utter BS. (and btw I can twink a character to level 40 in like 3-4 hours, so the whole "I lost 50 hours of game etc is just utter BS). Hell 99% of the NAMES posting in this thread I've never even heard of and I doubt half of them even play DT. Check DT VN boards, Ibn made a thread where REAL DT'ers could reply. Unlike this thread, probably 90% of the people who replied said they understand what happened and were actually surprised Turbine was trying to "make up" for what happened =P



Jessica/Ibn, I do highly advise making some type of code for this that only allows for characters already created on Monday to use the item. Otherwise every roleplayer on every white server is going to make 5 characters on DT, get the items, then try to trade them for powerleveling, and completely FLOOD the market with these "uber items" only to most likely quit the server after they hit level 30 and cant take being killed nonstop anymore.

Also would love an answer on the fellowship xp aspect of this? You going to let this xp we recieve be spreadable through a fellow? It would greatly reduce half the arguement of "lower levels not getting the same xp" etc. Ignore that **** too. Ok so they don't get 450'ish mill xp. How much do you think a level 50's skills compared to a level 150's skills are too raise? Heh they will most definitly be raising their skills more from those 3 levels they get than I will (I think I'll get ONE pt in magicD thats it =P). Also, the "lowbies" (from my understanding of how this one time gift works) have the option of waiting until they hit higher level to use the gift, to recieve a greater benefit from it.

[Som|Blood]

IBN, you *MUST* allow town crier xp to be passed up to your patron. Those of us that have built our allegiances up and have a huge monarchy under us are missing out on upwards of 5-6 billion xp. Normally I wouldn't think it was needed, but with the impending allegiance nerf...


Originally posted by Whisp'r

Granted these things took my time, and time is of different value to everyone (I value mine...don't care so much about yours!...lol), but consider the person who had some 10x tinked armor in his house that was just GONE.... If I was initially angry upon hearing about the rollback....Imagine if I was told I was going to get TRADE NOTES for my suits of tinked armor....OMG, LOOK OUT..now I know this isn't likely but it is possible.

This is simply why uninformed opions are ugly, ugly things. Unlike the care...err friendly servers there were never any plat-tradenote macros that brought in 1000 plats a day. Any large plat stacks are left over from the original duping debacle 3 years ago. Because of this, things like majors and 10x armor routinly sell for plats-notes.

[FrancoisH]

I can't figure out why people cry about this rollback...

Turbine does in the past days something very long, boring and risky... Move all data center, with players database, forums, gameservers, old archives... Now, they made a mistake... MS don't do any new backup from the day they stopped to host DT, and then theyr was no new tape backup in the new datacenter... and one of the cluster server failed... That's a mistake maybe but error is a human thing.

Now, about the rollback itself, Turbine made a good choice... Don't think only about yourself... Some people had maybe lost PPGSA, PP Hoary Robes, or things like that you can't ever reimburse ...

But how to know if they own that if you don't have any backup... So, there's only one thing they can do : rollback to the last usable backup.

It's frustrating but I remember 3 rollback in the past, one for like a week and 2 others for like 24 hours... It's not a thing we like, it's sure, but it's ONLY A GAME and then the time you spent was for a GAME... Yes, you pay for it but like in anything in the life, nothing is perfect as long as we're all humans.

So now, keep cool and then thanks Turbine to do the things they've to do and then to chose the right thing to do. You know all perfectly they don't enjoy to do that.

[DarkLegend]

1/2 these people do play dt

and i'd like to make 1 thing clear bud

You relize that you can twink someone in 3-4 hrs, although you also relize that SOME people don't have people to twink them????? THEY are the ones losing the hrs, not the people that get twinked...


I for one don't like the fact i spent a few hrs twinking 3 different people and they're all not going to have characters now.......

again, my 2 cents, make dt fun this weekend atleast!

[Binky]

Originally posted by Som|Blood
IBN, you *MUST* allow town crier xp to be passed up to your patron. Those of us that have built our allegiances up and have a huge monarchy under us are missing out on upwards of 5-6 billion xp. Normally I wouldn't think it was needed, but with the impending allegiance nerf...



This is simply why uninformed opions are ugly, ugly things. Unlike the care...err friendly servers there were never any plat-tradenote macros that brought in 1000 plats a day. Any large plat stacks are left over from the original duping debacle 3 years ago. Because of this, things like majors and 10x armor routinly sell for plats-notes.


I don't see Turbine catering to one monarchy. Probably 10-15 guys at most benefit from that "uber uber" 5-6 bill xp you all missed out on in Blo.Od.

[DarkLegend]

me either, I don't think that they should let it be passsed up.....thats a little much...although I'd like my vassel for a while =)

[Polar]

Someone wanna answer my question.....Instead of making excuses for your screw up, try informing us on whats going to happen. Since I rerolled this week, will I be able to use this crappy bribe on a reroll if I recreate?

[Som|Blood]

it would just be a reimbursement...


why should we have to take it on the chin anymore than anyone else? It should definately pass up.

[Emeritus]

PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION

This is now the 3rd time I have asked. How in the hell do you see the 2 items doing anything positive? If they are regular sing loot: whoopdeedoo, I'm sure we couldn't have killed 2 cabalists/matriarchs/etc in a week. If they are really good, you destroy the DT economy by giving everyone majors or low ws high al armor. If I pull some 20k sing loot, I'm gonna be quite unhappy. If I pull a 2k ws3 al 240 amuli coat, I'm gonna be quite unhappy for myself and all the other people that had to work to get our armor.
EDIT: Make the TC's give out rended weapons with good stats and low value/ws etc. No one uses rends in PvP outside of drop camping, and most decent level mages have one they can use anyways, so this would be helpful but it wouldn't mess up the pvp econ.

[DarkLegend]

see, that sucks..I have alot of rending wands i've done all myself....and that wil make me made if they give a imbuable weapon already done..

I guess to make it simple, the 2 items are going to make alot of people angry, except for the people w/no armor

If its good armor, mine will probley be 2 orange pairs of solls...

[Spears'R'Us]

^ You are talking like ONLY mages play on Darktide.


Will you guys add unlocked troves/sik chests/xp levers like you did on Shadowclaim too DT? Just to give us an incentive to keep playing DT.

[Born of Hatred]

FROM Binky - " 5 days ago you were doing what the rest of us were doing, enjoying (maybe not from the sound of your addiction) a day AWAY from AC, aka 5 days ago the server wasn't even up. The "items" you are losing are nothing you even worked for. You got lucky some schmuck forgot to pay his month rent. Go back to Shadowbane if you actually think "the biggest dissapointment to ever hit the online market" is better than AC. If you were a "poor" bastard how did you buy the house in the first place? Vacant houses are RAMPANT accross DT, so don't act like it's a rarity to find one here =P When I needed a house for my friends new account it took me a total of 15 min or so to find one. I'd really like to know how you were villa/house hunting while the server wasn't even up. As are probably 99% of the posts in this thread, your post is full of BS hoping to make Turbine feel sorry for you, and replace some fiction items you never even had.

Give em a foot they want a mile? They've never even offered something like this in a rollback before and now suddenly they do and everything wants MORE MORE MORE.

You guys act like this is the first rollback to ever plague AC or any other MMORPG for that matter. "

While i may not have the exact day down, i know i started hunting the day before the server went down. And as for your ignorant assumptions, well no you cannot find a decked house in 15 mins. There are only 5 or 6 houses out of 130 available or so that have anything worth while and no i mean by my standards not by your newb ones (obviously newbish if u think u can find a sweet house in 15 mins). I am talking houses loaded with cash, tinkables (mostly pp), tinked weapons, rare trophies and so on. And for two just because i can buy a house does not make me rich, all one would have to do is do the writ quest in lycenthrope, then kill olthio nobles for the concrentrated peas, and have the cash in two seconds. Buying a house is not hard, finding a really good one is before its bought by someone else is. Now as for your ignorant assumption that i'm probaly lieing, i have left my villa coords below. My e-mail is angelofhatred12345@yahoo.com , send me a e-mail and i'll meet u there and show u all that i got after the world came back up. 81.4s 16.7e. The problem i have is that turbine is neglecting that most of us are losing good stuff, many of us more so than the players who lost houses, and lots of it yes irreplaceable. Just because this prob benefits u and u didn't do anything of value in that time binky does not mean the rest of us are the same.

[Born of Hatred]

From korias - "Ok, say you did get lucky and find all that stuf....Guess what? You now know where those houses are, and where that villa is. At the very least you must know where the villa is, so just go back to it as soon as the servers come back up and purchase it..."

OK as least this ones not a flame, well first off i bought 8 houses total, i only remember where 2 of them are. Second off the person who owned the villa came back the day after i bought it, but with the rollback will have time to pay maintence, as u know as soon as a villa comes up its sold, well i bought it on wednesday but with the rollback the person will now own it again and not lose it this time, that villa being half of my loot and also being that i don't know where to find the other 6 houses yes i do get screwed bad in this deal, Also i did not originaly have near enough cash to guy the villa or several houses, through trades i made with the loot from the first house i came up with what i needed to buy more and it grew exponentially from there.
In other words no i can't do that again even if i knew the coords of them all.

[HeXt]

Originally posted by Emeritus

MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW
MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW
MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW
MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW
MAKE THE XP SHARE THROUGH FELLOW



Lol, they're giving you guys something to say sorry, not to totally kill/exploit the system.

[Spears'R'Us]

Mike that would make up for the millions of hunted xp that people have made.

[HeXt]

Now I'm beginning to wish this happened to MT... ::wanders off to seattle to "adjust the server::





bwahaha j/k. :/

[Emeritus]

Originally posted by HeXt
Lol, they're giving you guys something to say sorry, not to totally kill/exploit the system.

You missed my point. If I had spent all of last week twinking a level 50 with a 126, he would have gained more xp than half 125-126x3

[HeXt]

Originally posted by Emeritus
You missed my point. If I had spent all of last week twinking a level 50 with a 126, he would have gained more xp than half 125-126x3


I bet the exp is going to be personal exp which only that player can get, IE: THe gaerlan swords.

[Spears'R'Us]

im hoping its shared through fellow..screw the items..send the xp through fellow and im happy.

[Som|Blood]

can I get an answer on xp going up monarchy?

[Krazed]

If you actually think about it.... they did the right thing and made a fair compensation for it.

Over 150 houses lost all their stuff....Most of the 150 would have quit because they would have lost everything. Now I know alot of people spent alot of hours leveling and gaining items as I did the 4 days before the announcement of the reroll.

But not everybody spent that much time leveling maybe just a small majority made more than 3 levels or more than 460 million xp. So in the long run the 150 people will be satified along with the other hundreds that will benefit from gettinmg 3 levels on all trade mules and tinkerers that did make the xp in the first place.

I am guessing at numbers I say their were maybe under 100 people that lost compared to the hundreds who benefited


As I said this is only a guess and an opinion, but i would thing alot more people will be satisfied then dissatisified and thats what they wanted..

[Gothmog]

Could you please reset all quest timers when your DT rollback occurs? I'm sure alot of us were waiting on quest timers to expire when the crash happened and now we will be penalized an additional week because all our quest timers will not reflect a week that has passed in real life. I do not see how this could adversely affect the game and I believe it is entirely doable. Thanks!

BTW - I didn't ask my question earlier so I could learn how to exploit the Turbine reward - I merely wondered if I should bother to run my trade mules to the town crier for some free levelling. Thanks again!

[Krazed]

The quest timer will not be affected...

[Emeritus]

Originally posted by Krazed
If you actually think about it.... they did the right thing and made a fair compensation for it.

Over 150 houses lost all their stuff....Most of the 150 would have quit because they would have lost everything. Now I know alot of people spent alot of hours leveling and gaining items as I did the 4 days before the announcement of the reroll.

But not everybody spent that much time leveling maybe just a small majority made more than 3 levels or more than 460 million xp. So in the long run the 150 people will be satified along with the other hundreds that will benefit from gettinmg 3 levels on all trade mules and tinkerers that did make the xp in the first place.

I am guessing at numbers I say their were maybe under 100 people that lost compared to the hundreds who benefited


As I said this is only a guess and an opinion, but i would thing alot more people will be satisfied then dissatisified and thats what they wanted..

Have you actually talked to many people who play DT? I haven't heard one person who was happy cause they were getting their housing back, although I'm sure they're there, just not going to say anything lest they be shelled by their friends. I actually know someone who lost his chest but still gained more in the last week. The few people I've heard happy about this are the people who didn't play at all this week and are now getting xp and loot out of it. Something aint right.

[sgghays]

Guys, give it a break sometime. Turbine has done everything they can to fix it. They are even giving us repayment for the loss of time. As it might not be enough for some, it is atleast something! That being said, I am curious to see if DT might be changed at all for the next day or so before the rollback. This would be awesome to have like perma-buffs or maxed skills. Fights would be awesome and the server would be like DT should really have been. EVERYONE VS EVERYONE (besides a few friends). This rollback is letting everyone enjoy not losing items and creating mass battles all over dereth. It's awesome, and maybe an addition before the rollbacj would just allow us to have more fun. Could we get an answer if this might happen at all please? I know it could be done pretty easily. Thanks

[Emagik]

Just think about all those weapons you have blown up. You'll get them back to try for another 33%. Things that make you say hmmm... :rolleyes:

I got a craft4 +5% Cs wand for trade. I made it Thurs night. It wont be CS come Monday. dang! As a matter of fact I wont even have possesion of the thing next week. The butterfly effect!

[Mimir]

This rules! I don't remember ever getting anything from any rollback in the last 4+ year, of course I will lose more than I gain but hey, it's better than nothing

[DarkLegend]

mace? hahahahha

[StabA]

If it does passup, the new xp rules will be in effect by then so it wont go way up the tree like it would now.

[Emagik]

A good point made . If everyone is playing then the xp chain passup is great. The only down side is the trade mule in the chain. Trade mule wont have a place in the chain when they change the xp passup %. You wouldn't want a mule as a vassal thats for sure.

[Binky]

If it does passup, the new xp rules will be in effect by then so it wont go way up the tree like it would now.


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Wrong =P Xp changes are NEXT patch not the one on Tues. One on Tuesday is the patch adding allegiance wide chat.


Xp changes are Feb patch we still havent had January patch yet (it was delayed because of the data center)

[Ibn]

Originally posted by Binky
Wrong =P Xp changes are NEXT patch not the one on Tues. One on Tuesday is the patch adding allegiance wide chat. Xp changes are Feb patch we still havent had January patch yet (it was delayed because of the data center)

This is correct, but I have to also remind you that the reimbursement will also not go in until the February event. There's just no time to get it in for January -- so the XP award will go in at the same time as the changes to allegiance XP.

[Ibn]

Some off-topic comments regarding the merits of or problems with macros and xp chains have been stripped out along with a couple attack posts.

[Hubbell]

Ibn please clarify exactly what is meant by 'high quality' loot.

[hobbes-tls]

OK...

So basically this is the January Prop, not the February prop.

So we have yet another month of chains working the way they do and have a bit of time to prepare for the mad re-irg the larger guilds will have to undergo.

Now I definitly could care less about by wasted time... I was racing against a mis-conceived deadline.

I guess alot of us were confused because of how the patches fall.

-HR

[Emeritus]

4th Time i have asked now, just say you don't know if you don't but...

the 2 'uber loot' items - what do you see as their positive impact?

A. They're regular sing loot and most people gain nothing, a few people get lucky.
B. They're really good stuff and the darktide economy is messed up for the next year.

or somewhere in the middle somehow or what? Please explain.

[Ibn]

Originally posted by Emeritus
4th Time i have asked now, just say you don't know if you don't but...

the 2 'uber loot' items - what do you see as their positive impact?

A. They're regular sing loot and most people gain nothing, a few people get lucky.
B. They're really good stuff and the darktide economy is messed up for the next year.

or somewhere in the middle somehow or what? Please explain.

Definitely not B, probably something similar to A.

[Ibn]

Originally posted by hobbes-tls
I guess alot of us were confused because of how the patches fall.

It's a little tough for me to wrap my mind around too, honestly... I have to doublecheck most of what I write to make sure that I'm talking about the correct month.

[Emeritus]

Thanks for the response, but if that's the case, why not forget the items and add xp?

[Spears'R'Us]

So you guys are going to give us two sing loot items that 99% of the server will use as DI's? WOOT!!

[Hubbell]

[18:55] <Piggy> Gosh
[18:55] <Piggy> you know those 2 peices of high quality loot are going to be like 15k dis
[18:55] <Piggy> :(
[19:09] <Hubbell> nay
[19:09] <Hubbell> 30k Diamond Acid Khanjar
[19:10] <Piggy> boy i hope so
[19:10] <Hubbell> and a 63k craft11 al 1 buckler with major war life critter on it


Thanks for an utterly useless attempt at redeeming yourselves.

[Spears'R'Us]

Yay for Turbine giving us DIs!

[DarkLegend]

You have got to be kidding me, giving us DI's..thats just stupid..

[bkatz2]

How about this: Let people choose their two free items from a list of all of the quest items that have ever been in the game. For example, nexus armor, tremblant's staff, gsc, numidhura's magic D necklace, walking boots, etc. Let the items retain whatever status they normally have (like drop/give status) or had.

I think this would be a good idea because several people lost quest items due to the roll back that were a serious pain to get (walking boots), and using this idea would in no way unbalance the game or the economy. Nexus armor would be nothing more than a trinket with todays' tinkered/major armors (even sharded GSC is better), but some people might want it because they never got to see it (got deleted on DT way back), didn't have a chance to get it, or whatever. Some people might choose the magic D necklace because they originally chose the +30 health jewel. I can't think of any quest items that would unbalance the server or the economy. Further, you could offer people tesserae as quest items as well, which might HELP alleviate concerns of people who lost a ton of xp, or perhaps batches of XP (like for the olthoi queen quest) for the lower level players who lost levels 20-60 or something. I think it is a much better idea than "sing loot comparable/quality items because it gives people items they can definitely use and it gives the players a great range of choices.

I can't imagine that this would be too incredibly hard to implement, and I think it would be a really cool idea.

[Spears'R'Us]

^ nice idea.

[arod1977]

First off I just want to say, Everyone needs to relax on the whole idea that you wasted 40 hours of yoru life. If you spend 40 hours playing AC, great good for you. DOnt blame turbine. you should of all expected something to happen, this is a huge move, its not like they are moving next door or anything.

My question is , playing AC during this period fo thursday till monday, I understand the items that you lose from your house you will get back, but what about the items you lose during battle suring this time ?

[Emeritus]

Originally posted by arod1977
First off I just want to say, Everyone needs to relax on the whole idea that you wasted 40 hours of yoru life. If you spend 40 hours playing AC, great good for you. DOnt blame turbine. you should of all expected something to happen, this is a huge move, its not like they are moving next door or anything.

My question is , playing AC during this period fo thursday till monday, I understand the items that you lose from your house you will get back, but what about the items you lose during battle suring this time ?

Shrug, we're getting over it...anyways about stuff you lose today. Yes, it will be back monday. Think of it this way: The server took a snapshot of everyone on monday. Now it's like you've never been on since that snapshot was taking. You could have deleted every character on your account and made level 1s with the same name in their slot, and they'd still be there on monday. I guess if your dad/roommate/spouse went insane and deleted your char this week the rollback could be great for you :)

[Tahlisa]

It will be just like this week never happened, ven if you deleted your Char, it would be back

[Kilmor]

How about a timing for the rollback? When will you take down the servers and for how long? Thanks.

[Aaryna]

Right... about... now. Since, it's monday. :)

[Lutieus]

First off, the guy claiming to make 200 mil/hr is (wrong). Even someone personally hunting for 20 mil/hr, with 12 direct vassals each producing 20 mil/hr as well, wouldn't make that much. That guy needs to be banned on general principle.

As for the topic at hand, anyone complaining that "there's no reason to play all weekend," needs to leave DT asap. The whole point of the server is to PvP. Xp and items are only important inasmuch as they affect one's PvP abilities. Anyone who can't fight for the sheer sake of fighting is on the wrong server.

I'm losing quite a lot of xp, loot, and time spent doing blah blah blah. But I haven't given any of it a second thought beyond needing to redo some trades and contact some vassals for them to reswear, because other people would otherwise be hurt far more than I will be. Some people just need to stop being so greedy. It's just a game, after all.

Just a thought, maybe the items could be one regular loot-generated thing, and one random quest item the character in question doesn't already have. There would still be puh-lenty of randomness to what quest item each char got (i.e., Nexus Amuli Coat vs. Carrot Dagger), so it shouldn't cause any issues with market flooding. It just might add a little fun to the mix.

Anyway, props to Turbine for making a hard decision under tough circumstances. Perhaps it could be done better, but I think you're doing as well as anyone could reasonably expect.

[Snorungen]

Thank you for communicating this info in such a nice manner. It is sad to see that many people respond in a rude complaining fashion. As a player it is embarrassing to be part of a community containing such low-lives. I look forward to you running the game, as the information amount appears to have multiplied since the ms days.

[Danilo Thann]

quote:
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Originally posted by Danilo Thann
This is 150% a disaster!

I firmly believe that Turbine is in a massive panic regarding this issue and will not let it happen again.

I am a senior Technical Architect and cannot belive that this sort of data loss is even possible in an environment such as this! That is what I find scary.

Turbine. I noticed you have a postion for Information Technology Manager PM me and we'll talk!
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Try actually reading the thread. Especially the part where Jessica explains whose responsibilty this was.

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Found it.

I read the article and some of the posts but missed that one. I am glad that Turbine is taking such a strong stance on this as this was completely un-acceptable.

[Ibn]

We're currently looking at 1PM PST / 4PM EST to bring Darktide down for the rollback. This information should be added to the State of the Network (http://www.accmty.com/ASHEnewsnetwork.htm) shortly and further updates should also be posted there.

[thomas144]

Two comments:

1. There is nothing in the game (for example, when I log in) or in the "state of the network" to tell me this is happening. I only know about this from people in the game telling me.

2. The write-up (when I eventually found it, which was not easy) describing the roll-back is too long-winded. I don't care about the whys and wherefores: just tell me what is happening. Please. I feel the same way about the upcoming changes to the XP chain stuff, which I don't really understand but combined with the price increase tell me it's time to quit playing this game...

[Kilmor]

Thank you Ibn!

[Ragon]

How long until DT is back up and going good?

[zarry]

look all this whine.....an me with no cheese an crackers

you all think this 1st time we ever had a rollback ??
well its not an in the past ....wheather it was a 1 hour or 1 week rollback what we get ?? :confused:
we got a ROLLBACK nothing more

not that i am crazy about it i ,but i know things happen ....so anything we get as a bonus due to rollback i think is great


thx IBN for the info you keep putting out

[Binky]

Personally I'd like to thank Turbine for one of the funnest weekends I've ever had on DT. The "no worry about losing items" issue wasn't even what I liked as I didn't die enough to even lose anything worthwhile over the weekend. A couple guilds opened their mansions and it was NUTZ at blood mansion all weekend. Honestly, this shows how much funner DT would be if some main monarchies opened their mansions on a regular basis.

[Ibn]

The Darktide database is taking longer to copy over than we initially expected. As we mentioned in the original article, the backup was in the old datacenter, and transferring it (all 30 GB) was non-trivial.

The current ETA for Darktide to come down for the rollback is 5PM PST / 8PM EST.

We considered the option of delaying until tomorrow, but it was not a possibility due to the January event being scheduled for tomorrow morning. Also we want to get DT back up and running as normal as soon as physically possible.

The AC1 State of the Network should be updated shortly.

Thank you for being patient with us.

[ArtilexOfDarkti]

After the rollback begins how long will it take for completion?

-art

[Whisp'r]

OMG THANKS!

What a fun weekend. Fighting all over Dereth. People actually stayin put and fighting against the odds. Back up coming in as a swarm of red dots onto the radar. In short....

IT WAS BEAUTIFUL!!!!!

and we get 3 free levels to boot!!!

Kudos Turbine!

Maybe we can schedule one of these once a year in the future?
*wink*

[Gothmog]

Yes - once DT is taken down how long to apply the rollback and what is the ETA of bringing the world back up to a stable state? I will be on tonight or not depending on this info as will alot of people. Thanks for all your work on this Ibn. Hopefully you will see at least some of us (the vast majority, I think) are appreciative of Turbine's efforts. You can't please all the people all of the time. Thanks again!

[Ragon]

Yes this would be nice to know.... will it be playable b4 patch tomorrow????

[wa zu]

I would like to express my gratitude to the staff on making the move of the datacenter a very quick one.
It is unfortunate as to what happened on thursday last week, but what else can you do, the milk was spilled and you have to make some attempt to clean it up.
Whatever happens in the responding events i would like to say thanks for making this game very enjoyable.

[Quaoar]

You better increase the 'reimburse' by a factor of 4 or 5, to even make it close to compensate for the downtime.
Most importantly, it's not only downtime but a rollback. So when we -DO- log back on we have to go through 4 days of doing EXACTLY the same we did 4 + 4 days ago.
This is a two week game brake.


Half a months subscription payment should be given back to the players too.

[Whisp'r]

/\TRUE DAT!/\

[Haus der Liebe]

Please pardon the DT cry babies .. this is exactly why our server is and always will be frowned upon by the AC community ..

As a DT'r of 4 years, I appreciate the steps taken to compensate for MS's error .. I also appreciate the promises made by Jessica and look forward to better gaming days now that the Devs will actually be in control ..

Best of luck and please don't forget about us in the future

[DarkLegend]

I kinda agree with quaoar..

The 450 mill xp isn't bad, I mean, if your in blood and o.O's u'll get more...so noone can ***** about xp..however

I don't appreciate the 2 "almost" like sing loot....When is the last time ANYONE has pulled anything from a sing chest thats not WS10 , or under 50k? I've not in a while so we are basically getting DI's and a lil xp...

BS

[ancient]

I personally would like to be compenstated for the last two weeks not in this repsect, but more in the respect of my AC BILL, two weeks we are out because of this
, I wouldn't midn seeing credited time on my bill...

[Tydun]

My only real complaint about any of this is the serious loss of XP from the several days before we knew there would be a rollback. Maybe 3 levels is fair for everyone under 126, but folks 126+ consider it a vacation if they only make 450 million XP in ten days. I think you guys owe the hardcore players a little more than a couple days worth of XP and a few loot items. Someone mentioned getting to start a character at 40 or 50, I think that is an awesome idea. On a server that you need to be 126+ to compete on, what would it hurt to save folks about 30 hours of leveling. I know you took more ingame time than that from me this week!

[jxjxjx1024]

Wow it sure takes a long time to copy the darktide database..

you guys knew this would be happening 3-4 days ago.

[ArtilexOfDarkti]

How long will it take to rollback after you guys have copied it over?

-art

[Blau]

This idea of compensating us by giving us a few DIs (99% of what I pull out of sing troves) is a joke. How about you give us something more valuable?

How about this:

Next month's patch you give us all a special gem. This gem, when applied to any treasure-generated loot, will make it no-drop. So for a single account, we'll get 5 of these (one per characater). This will allow us to make a tinkered suit on DT that we can't drop. That would be awesome. Not only would it be cool for us, but it would also be cool for newbies on other servers who could trade these things for loot and leveling assistance on DT.

[ArtilexOfDarkti]

Wow, then you could have level 126's running around with al 650 no drop suits! Who needs death items?

Sorry, but that would never work.

-art

[DarkLegend]

would we rollback already?

[Ragon]

Not yet...
not even a wor don the world... wtf is up?

[Ibn]

Just got a status update -- currently we're looking to take the world down at 6:30PM PST / 9:30PM EST.

I do not have an estimate on how long the world will be down.

[AzulDrakkon]

Thursday- We might rollback because what happened today (ok)
Friday- We will rollback...Monday (ok, see you monday)
Monday- 1pm pst (why so late: I assume you don't work the 9-5...its cool)
....
5pm pst due to ... lack of foresight? :)
as a business you guys should look into making a deadline you know you can make and get done before that time...people rather you be early than late.
as long as you fix it this time (6:30pst) I'm happy, because, well, O.o is sorta boring and playing DT is useless atm.

[bkatz2]

That sucks. I kinda wish you guys had given us a better estimate earlier, kinda wasted the day hoping to play.

[Ragon]

Ok so announcement on the game???

[Emeritus]

Couldn't you have...I dunno...given us a status update an hour ago instead of 30 minutes after it was supposed to be down? I've been waiting at my computer for 5 hours now. Thanks.

[coffejunky]

a few hour late thats ok.

When are you going to make the "real" ac2? The diablo 3d one from earlyer doesnt count. Scrap that one or make it an exact copy of ac1 with the same graffics. That would mean sucess and times of plenty for turbine and its staff. Dont do it, and the path of hardship before you is all to obvious. Rough times ahead

[Emeritus]

So by 9:30 PM Ibn, you mean you aren't going to take them down until tomorrow sometime? Is that what your saying? that's what I'm hearing.

[DarkLegend]

WHY don't they stick to the the inevitable, ...JUST TAKE The world down tomorrow morning, patch it, and reroll it, then up it by July 2006 so we can gain our 3 lvls?

[ancient]

I didnt' expect anything less from turbine... Always has been this way... And they show no compensation for the player base...

I do not care about my ingame items, i want to see this refund on my AC BILL

[Glorfindel_Zero]

hmm, could further actions be taken to reemburse people? My friend who had just come back to AC 2 weeks ago has been leveling like a maniac this past week, went from 51-81, we spent hours every day in VoD, and now he will be rolled back to 51, is there some way that you can aid him? he does not wish to have to do it all over again

[DarkLegend]

well glor, by the year 2009 he can get 126 from the lag, and then cash in his reward at a town crier thats going to be camped like hell until 2025....but the server will be down July 30th-Dec 9th 2026 because they may upgrade it by then....

[Glorfindel_Zero]

Also, im not sure if this was addressed before, but will the quest timers be rolled back? If so, that means i got another week to spec war =/ ive waited forever as it is =(

[KPD157]

I think I have to agree with the post about making some form of gem two of them that would make any loot generated item no drop on death. This item would also be no give and no drop as well and I think would help alot of the new guys on the server keep some of thier best items :)

Infact how about having two places to turn in items one that will grant you XP and 2 uber items and the other would grant you less XP and 2 items that you can not drop on death :)

[DarkLegend]

I believe they said no it don't effect it because the servers actually know time, instead of timers...

[Gothmog]

From what I have been told the quest timers trigger off of a real world clock, not a DT clock. So, your quest timers will still be going even though the world will be rolled back. Is this correct Ibn?

[Ragon]

Ok so howlong they off?

[AzulDrakkon]

Originally posted by DarkLegend
well glor, by the year 2009 he can get 126 from the lag, and then cash in his reward at a town crier thats going to be camped like hell until 2025....but the server will be down July 30th-Dec 9th 2026 because they may upgrade it by then....

Nice burn dark...btw, its 8:30 here, why the servers still up?!...I guess I may as well wait til the patch at this rate.

[Khao]

How long ago did they tell us they would roll back, currently 4 hours, then 2 hours we will do it, then oh ya forgot, wait even longer. and its STILL not on time, by the time this is done it will be midnight or during patch... :mad:

-Khao
-Monarch of The Last Stand (Not Leader)

[Spears'R'Us]

Khao you should delete the character Khao. :p

[Gothmog]

I thought non-factors like Khao were not allowed to post here :)

Is what I posted about the quest timers true Ibn? They will not reset or be affected by the rollback?

[Krazed]

Originally posted by Ibn
I don't believe so... the game knows the last day -- real time -- that you picked up a spec gem. It won't adjust that for the rollback, so your timer will expire on the same real time day that it would if there were no rollback.

I think that's right, I'll ask one of the team members just to be on the safe side.

[Krazed]

I think that is true for all quests

[Ibn]

Confirmed, quest timers are real-time, not game time and will not be affected by rollback.

If one of your timers was due to expire tomorrow, it will still expire tomorrow, regardless of the rollback.

[Ibn]

OK, current status -- the server is down for the rollback, but they are having trouble disabling the lobbies and updating the State of the Network. The issues are due to changes from the move. But the most important task -- restoring the database from backup -- is proceeding. ETA is about an hour.

[bkatz2]

Thanks for the update!

[Rages]

Uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..yeaaaaaaaa:rolleyes:

[Emagik]

:eek:

[Rages]

"Sorry, but the Asheron's Call server is full, Please try again later."

!

[Ibn]

The server should be up and successfully rolled back now.

Thank you, all of you, for being patient with us. I know that the last few days have been very frustrating.

We've gone ahead and paid rent on all housing with maintenance pending, as part of our reimbursement to you. In two weeks, we'll do it again, to make sure we catch everyone.

[flavor]

Umm... did I miss something here? Wasn't the rollback just going back to the 19th? My account appears to have been rolled back much further than this... to the 12th even. Is this possible?

"On the morning of Monday, January 26th, Darktide will be rolled back to the last good backup – last Monday’s."

... said on the 23rd, wouldn't that be interpreted as rolling back to the 19th? Surely not the 12th...... that would be ridiculous.

:(

[Whisp'r]

"We've gone ahead and paid rent on all housing with maintenance pending, as part of our reimbursement to you. In two weeks, we'll do it again, to make sure we catch everyone."


Ibn

I logged in at 8 am EST after rollback and immediately got "your maintenance has not been paid message"...LOL.

I paid it, but I sure hope the rest of these spiffs, we were told would get, work better than that.

Do you have any hair left after last week?...LOL.

[Krazed]

I had to to pay my villa immediatly after i logged on also.....

[Grizzly]

Because of the way quest timers are...basically I lose the rewards for doing any quests I had done in the last week, and now the quest timer is set for 2 weeks or a month or whatever it is for the quest?

This is disapointing.

[Blushtusker]

Originally posted by Ibn
n/t

He Man give this guy's a chance! :mad:

You known that changes are can bring problems, so you shold try not to do much for some days.

I known it is a bad thing what' happen with this bug and im sorry for all what lost anything, but want you that Turbine do pay you for Playtime? Man its not work, it is a game :D

[StabA]

Warning! You have not paid your maintenance costs for the last 30 day maintenance period. Please pay these costs by this deadline or you will lose your house, and all your items within it.

After rollback and patch, my maintance is due. I thought you said turbine was paying this months fees?

[Whisp'r]

Grizzly,
have you tried...?

Your complaint isnt even valid. I thought the same thing on asessment but the truth is that timers are on real time but the rollback means that you never reset it.

Example...

I did the skill spec quest Saturday, the day my timer was up.

Rolled back to monday, 5 days before my timer expired (as it was expired saturday...tough to follow...lol).

Logged in tuesday morning and did skill spec first thing when i got on.

Conclusion....

Try it before you complian =)

[Ragon]

When I logd, the mansion said Paid for. then about 1 min later I, along with others in my guild, got the, Maintance Received. But still wasn't paid for for this pay time?

[Binky]

The "fix" is going in for February patch guys not the one today (January patch). I'd assume they will be taking care of our february maintence fee.