I just trained sword to test the dmg vrs UA

[minimafia]

270 base str (315 buffed) 325 base sword (to wield weeping) and 398 base UA


Crits with weeping sword, GSA=116 (no underbanes) knorr = 114(I went wtf here as I know maxed sword weeping still hits knorr for like 150)

Crits for weeping UA GSA = 138 knorr = 137


um... WTF



Does Sword skill have some effect over the dmg of weeping? because I dont see how 20 less str can make me hit for 50 less than a maxed sword guy.

[Frank The Knife]

Maybe this time when they consult the magic 8 ball about melee damage it will show a NO to nerf melee's more.

This month it said ask again later since we have to wait yet another month for this HUGE error on the devs part to be fixed.

I guess canceling accounts is the only way to get their attention. :mad:

[Virindi Clown]

270 base str (315 buffed) 325 base sword (to wield weeping) and 398 base UA


Crits with weeping sword, GSA=116 (no underbanes) knorr = 114(I went wtf here as I know maxed sword weeping still hits knorr for like 150)

Crits for weeping UA GSA = 138 knorr = 137


um... WTF



Does Sword skill have some effect over the dmg of weeping? because I dont see how 20 less str can make me hit for 50 less than a maxed sword guy.

With buffed clothes and the proper ward, I am pretty darned sure that shadow armor gets power crit in the 80-90s with maxed out str sword, so your numbers make perfect sense. I don't think it does 150 to knorr helms. The AL is almost exactly the same on the helm and the shadow armor, anyways, and both of your sets of numbers are supported by that.

Sword skill has NO effect on weeping. Even if it did, at your level, it could not possibly make anywhere near a 30+ point difference, especially considering that that would likely come out to being close to an extra point of damage per point of sword skill (although str would be slightly higher) on a completely maxed out melee.

Turbine missed this stuff so badly, with every weapon, on JUST the damage, much less the 20% or so speed advantage UA has, how, exactly?

[minimafia]

The sword weeping hits not only for less than the weeping UA but slower too lol

[ChildoftheKoRn]

They should raise weeping sword yes, lower ua a bit yes. WHy? Not because its too strong against mages, but melees. But then if we lower it to help even the melee vs melee fight that would still give mages a better chance, how do we fix this. Lower the damage for the phantoms and weepings till they make good fights for melees, then add war magic slayer!!! :-D

[Khael]

Uhm ok read the other threads about this.

I dont know what you are trying to say, but your tests are kind of worthless. No-one wears gsa for pvp, and everyone underbanes.

And the advantage of ua is also the speed, usually a ua char will hit on speed to gain maximum advantage of the ua skill modifier.

Anyways, it has been determined by everyone that UA is better than sword, after all other melee weapons cept ua was nerfed in july.

[Virindi Clown]

Uhm ok read the other threads about this.

I dont know what you are trying to say, but your tests are kind of worthless. No-one wears gsa for pvp, and everyone underbanes.

And the advantage of ua is also the speed, usually a ua char will hit on speed to gain maximum advantage of the ua skill modifier.

Anyways, it has been determined by everyone that UA is better than sword, after all other melee weapons cept ua was nerfed in july.

WTF?!?!?!?

OK, first of all, TONS of people wear shadow armor.

What you said about hitting on speed with UA makes no sense, either. If power does more damage, why would you always use speed? Are you saying that full power is disproportionally slower? That isn't true. ALL speeds of attack for UA are almost 20% faster than the other melee skills.

And so what, even if what you said was true? All that stuff about different armor, underbanes, and speed has NOTHING to do with it.

He is not trying to prove the max damage someone can do in some case or something like that. He is just showing that he used the same armor in the test, and the same two skills on the same character, so that it is CONSISTENT, and actually proves something.

Some people still seem to think that the weeping sword is more powerful than the UA, so there is actually a point to this, aside from the other stuff I already said.

And just so you know, ALL melee weepings were nerfed. The slayer mod was reduced by 15% across the board, which drastically reduced all of their damages (I think it came out to like 30% or something very close). However, the weeping sword was the ONLY weeping that didn't get a base damage boost, so it was left considerably in the dust. The UA used to crit against al 400+ tinkered armor with underbaned clothes for just slightly lower than what he posted against shadow armor without underbanes.

[Some Guy on DT]

Crits with weeping sword, GSA=116 (no underbanes) knorr = 114(I went wtf here as I know maxed sword weeping still hits knorr for like 150)

Crits for weeping UA GSA = 138 knorr = 137


um... WTF


sorry but those numbers are wrong

[Final_Destiny]

Crits with weeping sword, GSA=116 (no underbanes) knorr = 114(I went wtf here as I know maxed sword weeping still hits knorr for like 150)

Crits for weeping UA GSA = 138 knorr = 137


um... WTF


sorry but those numbers are wrong

I crit shadow armor for 80 with hollow, almost the same with weeping can't remeber the number, but i hit a 330AL armor for 20s!!!! can u really afford hitting a mage for 25 and get hit for 150... huh so silly

with hollow i can crit knorr for 130+, but measuring on these types of armors is a big mistake, now everybody got a 440 AL quest armor 380AL quest hem, u can wasily tink a 420+ AL armor, how much am gonna hit those armors for????? 15 - 25, i dunno y war magic damaging 400% more than any other skill and its not 4Times their skill cridits. sword is 60% of the war magic skill cridits so it should hit for 60% of its damage, isn't it the way mages whine to nerf sword damage?, seems that turbine devs so week in mathmatics.

[minimafia]

sorry, but those numbers are NOT wrong, if you would like to retest and post a log I would be more than willing.

[minimafia]

Same char, same stats, 270 base str etc etc sword skill doesnt matter

Here is a log retesting the damage, same results

This is on al 444 base leggings with underbanes

UA- 72
sword - 63
(the 81 was on his foot)
Reborn X says, "aim low"
The spell Brogard's Defiance on Copper Platemail Gauntlets has expired.
The spell Brogard's Defiance on Sparring Pants has expired.
The spell Brogard's Defiance on Sparring Shirt has expired.
The spell Brogard's Defiance on Walking Boots has expired.
The spell Brogard's Defiance on Charged Celdon Leggings has expired.
The spell Brogard's Defiance on Hardened Celdon Breastplate has expired.
The spell Brogard's Defiance on Runic Helm of Knorr has expired.
The spell Brogard's Defiance on Searing Celdon Sleeves has expired.
The spell Brogard's Defiance on Plated Celdon Girth has expired.
Reborn X says, "like my suit btw?"
Frozen Weeping Claw cast Moderate Unarmed Aptitude on you
The spell Olthoi's Bane on Copper Platemail Gauntlets has expired.
The spell Olthoi's Bane on Sparring Pants has expired.
The spell Olthoi's Bane on Sparring Shirt has expired.
The spell Olthoi's Bane on Walking Boots has expired.
The spell Olthoi's Bane on Plated Celdon Girth has expired.
The spell Olthoi's Bane on Charged Celdon Leggings has expired.
The spell Olthoi's Bane on Hardened Celdon Breastplate has expired.
The spell Olthoi's Bane on Runic Helm of Knorr has expired.
The spell Olthoi's Bane on Searing Celdon Sleeves has expired.
You numb Reborn X for 22 points of cold damage!
You say, "yes"
You numb Reborn X for 32 points of cold damage!
You say, "its hot"
You numb Reborn X for 21 points of cold damage!
Critical hit! You chill Reborn X for 72 points of cold damage!
Reborn X says, "good al too"
You say, "72 on legs?"
You say, "or foot"
Reborn X says, "yes"
The spell Tusker's Bane on Copper Platemail Gauntlets has expired.
The spell Tusker's Bane on Sparring Pants has expired.
The spell Tusker's Bane on Sparring Shirt has expired.
The spell Tusker's Bane on Walking Boots has expired.
The spell Tusker's Bane on Charged Celdon Leggings has expired.
The spell Tusker's Bane on Hardened Celdon Breastplate has expired.
The spell Tusker's Bane on Runic Helm of Knorr has expired.
The spell Tusker's Bane on Searing Celdon Sleeves has expired.
The spell Tusker's Bane on Plated Celdon Girth has expired.
You say, "AL?"
Reborn X says, "legs"
Frozen Weeping Sword cast Moderate Sword Aptitude on you
Reborn X says, "legs = 443 base"
Reborn X says, "shoes = 450 base"
The spell Astyrrian's Bane on Copper Platemail Gauntlets has expired.
The spell Astyrrian's Bane on Sparring Pants has expired.
The spell Astyrrian's Bane on Sparring Shirt has expired.
The spell Astyrrian's Bane on Walking Boots has expired.
The spell Astyrrian's Bane on Charged Celdon Leggings has expired.
The spell Astyrrian's Bane on Hardened Celdon Breastplate has expired.
The spell Astyrrian's Bane on Runic Helm of Knorr has expired.
The spell Astyrrian's Bane on Searing Celdon Sleeves has expired.
The spell Astyrrian's Bane on Plated Celdon Girth has expired.
You say, "sword time"
You numb Reborn X for 26 points of cold damage!
You numb Reborn X for 30 points of cold damage!
The spell Archer's Bane on Copper Platemail Gauntlets has expired.
The spell Archer's Bane on Sparring Pants has expired.
The spell Archer's Bane on Sparring Shirt has expired.
The spell Archer's Bane on Walking Boots has expired.
The spell Archer's Bane on Charged Celdon Leggings has expired.
The spell Archer's Bane on Hardened Celdon Breastplate has expired.
The spell Archer's Bane on Runic Helm of Knorr has expired.
The spell Archer's Bane on Searing Celdon Sleeves has expired.
The spell Archer's Bane on Plated Celdon Girth has expired.
I Told U I Was Hrdcore says, "***** please"
You numb Reborn X for 26 points of cold damage!
You numb Reborn X for 21 points of cold damage!
You chill Reborn X for 36 points of cold damage!
The spell Inferno's Bane on Copper Platemail Gauntlets has expired.
The spell Inferno's Bane on Sparring Pants has expired.
The spell Inferno's Bane on Sparring Shirt has expired.
The spell Inferno's Bane on Walking Boots has expired.
The spell Inferno's Bane on Charged Celdon Leggings has expired.
The spell Inferno's Bane on Hardened Celdon Breastplate has expired.
The spell Inferno's Bane on Runic Helm of Knorr has expired.
The spell Inferno's Bane on Searing Celdon Sleeves has expired.
The spell Inferno's Bane on Plated Celdon Girth has expired.
You numb Reborn X for 24 points of cold damage!
Reborn X says, "slightly more damage"
You numb Reborn X for 22 points of cold damage!
You numb Reborn X for 20 points of cold damage!
You numb Reborn X for 25 points of cold damage!
You numb Reborn X for 19 points of cold damage!
You say, "wait for crit"
You numb Reborn X for 29 points of cold damage!
Reborn X says, "u hit me for 20s on power"
You numb Reborn X for 27 points of cold damage!
Reborn X says, "lol"
You numb Reborn X for 23 points of cold damage!
You numb Reborn X for 29 points of cold damage!
You say, "sword sucks"
You numb Reborn X for 22 points of cold damage!
You say, "and i never crit"
You chill Reborn X for 37 points of cold damage!
The spell Gelidite's Bane on Copper Platemail Gauntlets has expired.
The spell Gelidite's Bane on Sparring Pants has expired.
The spell Gelidite's Bane on Sparring Shirt has expired.
The spell Gelidite's Bane on Walking Boots has expired.
The spell Gelidite's Bane on Charged Celdon Leggings has expired.
The spell Gelidite's Bane on Hardened Celdon Breastplate has expired.
The spell Gelidite's Bane on Runic Helm of Knorr has expired.
The spell Gelidite's Bane on Searing Celdon Sleeves has expired.
The spell Gelidite's Bane on Plated Celdon Girth has expired.
You numb Reborn X for 24 points of cold damage!
You numb Reborn X for 26 points of cold damage!
You numb Reborn X for 22 points of cold damage!
The spell Swordsman's Bane on Copper Platemail Gauntlets has expired.
The spell Swordsman's Bane on Sparring Pants has expired.
The spell Swordsman's Bane on Sparring Shirt has expired.
The spell Swordsman's Bane on Walking Boots has expired.
The spell Swordsman's Bane on Charged Celdon Leggings has expired.
The spell Swordsman's Bane on Hardened Celdon Breastplate has expired.
The spell Swordsman's Bane on Runic Helm of Knorr has expired.
The spell Swordsman's Bane on Searing Celdon Sleeves has expired.
The spell Swordsman's Bane on Plated Celdon Girth has expired.
You numb Reborn X for 19 points of cold damage!
Reborn X evaded your attack.
Reborn X says, "lol"
You numb Reborn X for 22 points of cold damage!
Critical hit! You chill Reborn X for 81 points of cold damage!
Reborn X says, "there"
You say, "legs or foot"
Reborn X says, "foot"
You say, "baw"
Reborn X says, "Cruath Quasith"
Reborn X evaded your attack.
You say, "gotta crit leg"
Reborn X evaded your attack.
Reborn X cast Gossamer Flesh on you
Reborn X says, "Cruath Quavik"
Reborn X evaded your attack.
You say, "let me crit leg pos"
Reborn X evaded your attack.
Reborn X cast Gelidite's Gift on you
Reborn X evaded your attack.
Reborn X says, "leme test ua too"
Critical hit! You chill Reborn X for 63 points of cold damage!

[The Mark]

lol
Maybe if weeping weapons would have an aegis property... but that might be a recepie for destruction...

[AzulDrakkon]

Mark, What does that have to with anything in this post? You bong out lately?

[Dj_Viper]

Mark, What does that have to with anything in this post? You bong out lately?

hahaha. good call AD.

[Some Guy on DT]

mini this a is a logg i made right after they nerfed the weeping %



one char is a lvl 209 maxed out all ua the other one a lvl 220 maxed out all sword

those numbers are correct



[13:59] Critical hit! You cut Uchi of Nigeria for 79 points of slashing damage!


full power crit on al 430 with weeping ua


[13:59] Critical hit! You scratch Uchi of Nigeria for 27 points of slashing damage!

full speed crit on al 430 with weeping ua


[13:36] Critical hit! You slash Uchi of Nigeria for 110 points of slashing damage!


full power crit with phantom ua


[13:36] Critical hit! You nick Uchi of Nigeria for 37 points of piercing damage!


full speed crit with phantom ua


[13:37] Critical hit! You nick Uchi of Nigeria for 29 points of piercing damage!



full speed crit on 430 al with hollow ua


[13:37] Critical hit! You cut Uchi of Nigeria for 56 points of slashing damage!

full power crit on al 430 with hollow ua


[13:37] Critical hit! You slash Uchi of Nigeria for 142 points of slashing damage!


full power crit on knorr with hollow ua


[13:41] Critical hit! You slash Uchi of Nigeria for 104 points of slashing damage!

full power crit with phantom sword


[13:42] Critical hit! You nick Uchi of Nigeria for 35 points of piercing damage!

fulll speed crit with phantom sword


[13:43] Critical hit! You cut Uchi of Nigeria for 64 points of slashing damage!


full power crit with hollow sword on al 430


[13:46] Critical hit! You slash Uchi of Nigeria for 161 points of slashing damage!


full power hollow sword crit on knorr



[13:46] Critical hit! You nick Uchi of Nigeria for 27 points of piercing damage!


full speed hollow sword crit on al 430


[13:48] Critical hit! You cut Uchi of Nigeria for 85 points of slashing damage!

full power sword crit on al 430 with weeping no wards


[13:48] Critical hit! You nick Uchi of Nigeria for 29 points of piercing damage!


full speed crit with weeping sword no wards


both chars max str , skill ...

[Virindi Clown]

Some Guy, what exactly are you trying to say? While those numbers are nice to know, that comes across as really random, and completely irrelevant to the topic.

If you are trying to compare to minimafia's original numbers, there's a gigantic problem. minimafia's character obviously isn't anywhere near level 209+, was ONLY testing weeping, and was doing so against entirely different armor than you.

Mind explaining? I'm lost. :confused:

[Khael]

Virindi, People wear GSA? Uhm ok, I dont know any that do, sorry - most will of course choose gsc for more wards and higher al.

[minimafia]

Funny thing is, his numbers are wrong, either the UA was not maxed out or the mage had slash and pierce ward

37 by a maxed char by phantom ua = wards
110 by a phantom UA on full = wards (i fought a lvl 220 ua guy today I know, its over 130)
So that slash ward would also lower the damage from the weeping UA which was slash.


Also you crit knorr for more than 141 with hollow from a maxed UA, concidering the char I posted crits it for like 135

[Some Guy on DT]

the numbers are correct

they are with coord, str majors BUT no major ua using the phantom if he put on the major ua the crit on full power would go up 10 points to 131 ...

[minimafia]

no, it would not 15 points of UA makes almost no difference, 1 or 2 points at most.


either way, the guy you tested on was warded vrs the UA guy and not the sword guy

[Some Guy on DT]

hehe yes it would but whatever are you the guy with a lvl 209 ua and a lvl 220 sword or am i the guy ?

[AzulDrakkon]

I was fighting Violent and Funky' and got hit for 40 on speed multiple times w/ phantom. I'm not sure if they were crits or not (I assumed they were) but when I asked he told me "No."

[Virindi Clown]

Virindi, People wear GSA? Uhm ok, I dont know any that do, sorry - most will of course choose gsc for more wards and higher al.

Excuse me, I forgot that the 20 AL difference DOESN'T CHANGE DAMAGE AT ALL. Oh, no wait, that was YOU!

There's this thing called a "curve," which, in this case, means that higher AL in one amount may very well do absolutely nothing tacked onto an already high amount of armor.


And come on, you obviously didn't even read the post for what it was, but just looked for faults to argue with for no gd reason.

Ever heard of this thing called the "scientific method"? Wait, why am I wasting my time asking. You obviously haven't, and if you have, you are choosing to disavow any knowledge of it existing, like we are all stupid and won't notice that you are just saying random stuff for no reason, which I don't understand at all...

What would it even matter if EVERYONE wore GSA, or NO ONE did?

He could have tested it on freaking heiromancer armor, which no one would ever think of wearing on DT, and it would still be a valid test.

The reason for that is that he was doing an experiment, showing that he used the SAME armor, and tested the two weapons on the SAME character, so that he could control the variables and show CONSISTENCY, in order to back up his results.

[Dj_Viper]

Believe it or not, I just ran a test with Caffiene. He is a UA character, and I am a sword character. Virindi and I have been arguing with him constantly on boards, and now we ran a test. We did the test with phantom UA and phantom sword. We compared the two, and phantom UA did the SAME damage if not a little more damage. I will look for the logs and post them if you don't believe me. But if I could get caffiene here to post, I think that would be saying enough =).

He finally agreed with me. Phantom UA is stronger than phantom sword. It hits faster, for more/same damage, and UA's have a better template. However, we both agreed that UA should not be nerfed. It is the other classes that need to be raised. If UA is nerf, no melee will be able to kill mages/archers. Sword needs to be raised slightly to make it possible to kill a mage 1v1, and a UA 1v1.

All of these are with imp/vuln 7. I have a little bit higher sword skill than him too. I am Viper Nex, he is Doubting Thomas.
Doubting Thomas nicks your foot for 13 points of piercing damage!23:59:07 Doubting Thomas nicks your lower leg for 13 points of piercing damage! Doubting Thomas nicks your lower leg for 15 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your foot for 11 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas stabs your upper leg for 33 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your upper leg for 11 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your upper leg for 9 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your upper leg for 13 points of piercing damage!

here is me hitting him:

You nick Doubting Thomas for 13 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 10 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 11 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 13 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 9 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 14 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 11 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 12 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 40 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 12 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 14 points of piercing damage!

Notice he deos the same damage as me...and does it much much faster considering he is UA.

As far as full power goes we both hit for about 34-48 and crit for 98-99. His crits were for 98, and mine were for 99.

Here is us going at it after lowering my melee defense, her is level 124 I'm 133:

Doubting Thomas nicks your upper leg for 19 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your lower leg for 13 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 11 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas stabs your lower leg for 33 points of piercing damage!
00:02:44 > You nick Doubting Thomas for 16 points of piercing damage!
00:02:44 > Doubting Thomas nicks your lower leg for 11 points of piercing damage!
Dark souls says, "War Bolt Lightning"
Doubting Thomas nicks your upper leg for 12 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 16 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your lower leg for 13 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 10 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your foot for 15 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 13 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your upper leg for 16 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your foot for 11 points of piercing damage!
You nick Doubting Thomas for 9 points of piercing damage!
Dark souls says, "War Bolt Lightning"
Doubting Thomas nicks your foot for 11 points of piercing damage!
Critical hit! You stab Doubting Thomas for 33 points of piercing damage!
You evaded Doubting Thomas!
Critical hit! You stab Doubting Thomas for 33 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your lower leg for 13 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your lower leg for 10 points of piercing damage!
Doubting Thomas nicks your lower leg for 10 points of piercing damage!

There you have it. UA is stonger than sword but cannot be lowered anymore without hurting melee vs mage. Sword needs to be raise. I will try to get Caffiene here to talk about it too. I just find it funny after both of us arguing constantly we came to an agreement =).

[TRuthSeer]

Instead of all the arbitrary testing and hearsay. Some official acknowledgements would be nice.... heh

[Virindi Clown]

Official acknowledgment of what? Ibn already said that they tested it and that we were right: UA PvP weapons of all kinds, overpower all other melee PvP weapons.

http://forums.turbinegames.com/showthread.php?t=13612&page=1&highlight=katar+suite

[TRuthSeer]

Ok, acknowledgement was wrong word.
A confirmation or breakdown of each wep type's tests done and Dot's in comparison. If it was done officially from the start this never would have been debated or an issue. Right off the bat, Turbine would have known (fixed?) and there would have been nothing to deliberate on it in the past. :)

[Ashikaga]

270 base str (315 buffed) 325 base sword (to wield weeping) and 398 base UA

This is NOT a fair comparison.

The UA is far higher skill. You are comparing a mid 60's swordie to a 126+ level UA effectively.

UA ofcourse gets base skill bonus for damage but ALSO gets less damage from strength than sword does.

Also, the Weeping Human Slayer bonus is skill based too.

I think if you compared equal level UA and Sword characters you would find that UA weeping is quite a way behind the power of sword.

[Virindi Clown]

This is NOT a fair comparison.

Also, the Weeping Human Slayer bonus is skill based too.


No it's not. The devs have said so. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his test.

I don't get this at all, the test was flawless in the first place, but even if there was a problem, WHO GIVES A CRAP?

Why are so many people still intent on proving people wrong when they bring up UA being stronger than sword?

IN THE POST RIGHT ABOVE THE ONE YOU POSTED AFTER IT HAS IBN SAYING THAT WE WERE RIGHT! WTF IS YOU PEOPLE'S PROBLEM?

[Ashikaga]

I don't get this at all, the test was flawless in the first place,

It's a far from a flawless comparison. Like I said, the players skill is a major factor in the damage of Weeping Weapons. Its especially important when you are comparing UA Weeping weapons.

I think if you are trying to make a comparison then you need to be reasonably methodical about it.

I read IBN's post. It's not clear what type of PK weapons he is referring to. I think its probably more aimed at Phantom and Hollow weapons comparisons when he is saying that UA outdamages sword in most situations.

Note: all this doesn't mean I think Weeping sword is fine at the moment. I think nerfing its damage was one of the worst things Turbine has done for a while. But thats another issue :)

[Dj_Viper]

Weeping UA is the same problem. I did tests with the Weeping UA and the Weeping Sword. I have a HIGHER sword skill, higher melee d, and much higher strength. The weeping UA with lower skill and strength, did the same if not more than my sword on low. Even if it did a little less at times, UA hits almost TWICE AS FAST. I will post this information tomorrow if you would like me to. I have it in logs but do not have time to go through it right now. Scroll up and read my last post.

Also, if you guys don't believe anyone, why don't you run the tests yourselves? You will see what we're all complaining about.

[Jida]

Give all of the melee classes a skill based damage mod.

Balance it out so that things do not get out of hand.

UA stays the same only everything else comes up or passes it. Simple easy fix and gets rid of the unique stupidity that is UA's design.

[Excalibur]

I find it funny that minimafia puts more work into testing this than turbine did.

Sword 16 skill credits to Spec

UA 6 (as sho) to spec

Not to mention UA can do bludge damage. Why on earth would you make UA stronger than sword?

Good job minimafia, they should get you on there test server so you can show them how to test this stuff.

[Excalibur]

One obvious way to tell which is better is to look at how many people have dropped sword and picked up UA. And a ton of people have.

You can not argue that...

[Jida]

UA is not better than Sword when you are a 40 vit loser sitting at Soushi SE since Sword is not hindered with the skill based damage bonus.

Other than that though UA has always been and will continue to be the better choice.

Even when the raw numbers of Sword in some cases was beating out UA the fact that the UA character had 10 more skill credits made more of a difference in flexibility than a slightly lower DoT.

I still remember one day in Metos when a guy I used to hunt the big iron golem room came in and told me to go UA. I told him that dagger is nice cause of the speed. I mean it is the only skill based upon quickness.

When we did a side by side test and he was out swinging me I ran to the boards and screamed about it.

Turns out it was way old news.

UA needed fixing a long time ago. Now, all the other skills need the skill based bonus since UA actually is effective in PvP where it is.

Lowering UA is a bad choice. Increasing Sword to be '10 credits worth better' is going on the right track.

[Bad-Day]

Ua should do better on speed than sword (as far as the dot) its a FASTER WEAPON.
Sword SHOULD knock the target down on hard.

The speed of the weapons is the key.
Leave Ua alone ! Slow sword a bit and make sword the way it was before the last sword nerf.

[Erudine]

Can someone clarify for me that the Human-SLayer property of, at least melee weapons (wands might be different), does or does not scale up with increasing base skill? I'm under the impression that other quest-weapons with slayers (particularly the Olthoi SLayer Gaerlan items) scale with skill.

Thanks.

And sorry if this was posted somewhere already.

[minimafia]

"UA is not better than Sword when you are a 40 vit loser sitting at Soushi SE since Sword is not hindered with the skill based damage bonus"

If you are refering to my MULE who is at shoushi se and is lvl 60 with 40 vp, named mini mafia, yes you're right.

My main however is lvl 130 (might be 131 when i log in, vassals pwn)

[Jida]

I was actually referring to my mule who has killed you ;)

[minimafia]

omg you killed my naked plat mule?


which newb are you?

[Virindi Clown]

It's a far from a flawless comparison. Like I said, the players skill is a major factor in the damage of Weeping Weapons.

Wow, good job reading all of my post.

No Erudine, the slayer mod on weeping weapons does not vary with skill. The devs have said that.

Although I do not know 100% for sure if other slayer weapons have slayer mods that vary with skill, I really don't think any do. That's just imbues, as far as I know.

[Jida]

I play Crotch Wart.

[minimafia]

lol! I was the guy that buffed you and showed you how to bow bug the other day.

[Jida]

EDIT - Lol, haha yeah I 'roleplay' a clueless kid on Crotch Wart :) So you are the melee-less gimpO?




Ok let's say that UA was 1 point behind Sword at completely maxed out.

WHY IS A 6 CREDIT SKILL KEEPING PACE WITH A 16 CREDIT ONE?

It is obvious (as it always has been) that UA is fer better than Sword in every way possible,

All attack types
Fastest animation
No mode switch to change weapons
Fastest mode switch from wands and healing
Skill based damage modifier
Light weapons
+5% to melee on all the weapons MORE than any other weapon
Free on Sho and only 6 credits to spec
Best sticky
Best hollow
Best weeping
Best by far phantom

It has always been this way. Regardless of 100 tests done in strict conditions it is plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain that UA is the best melee skill.

There is a reason why there are so many Sho on DT. There is a reason why almost everyone has used UA except for a very short time where the Weeping Sword was king. There is also a reason why people unspeced UA and went sword.

No matter what is shown to the doubters (or the ignorant) they will always question something.

"Were the ping times the same?"

"Are they both running the same operating system?"

"Did they use a custom keymap?"

Trust me fellas, it is never going to be worth it to try to prove this point any further than it already it has.

[Excalibur]

Good post Jida. UA should be down with Dagger and staff in strength. Axe, Spear, Sword should all be way better than any racial weapon. How much it costs to specialize should have 100% effect on how viable it is.

It is not rocket science.....