Let us know what you think of the February Letter to the Players [Archive]

Harzah

02-03-2004, 11:22 PM

ACDM content for all - this is a nice gesture, especially as it's hard to get copies of the game atm (which I realize ya'll have said you're working on.)

Allegiance XP changes - I don't quite know what to think. I think it's a step in the right direction but I do tend to go with "I'm for the changes generally, but I think they will hurt the pure crafters/mules." (As from http://ac.stratics.com/ latest poll) I'm withholding judgement for the moment to see how they actually work. I'm not sure it will even affect me a whole lot - my vassals are my son's and my characters are my husband's *shrugs*

Treasure changes - that'd be nice! I know some have mentioned that the loot on some higher level mobs just suck for the mobs level. I'm a little more concerned (being lower level) on finding ok starter weapons and such for my mid to low level toons and my son's.

Quint. Sickle - well I'm glad I have the old one as my axer is not my main and will take a long time to get up to the level of the new one. I have to say the new one really really looks awesome - I love the barbs on the back side of it!

The Future - this is the best part of the letter. Just knowing what ya'll are thinking about helps tremendously, even if it's just a one line thing with no specifics.

avoozl

02-04-2004, 12:23 AM

Sounds good to me..

Although, I'm not sure how much benefit will be found by everyone having ACDM.. Since most would have it by now.. and there aren't many homes available.

:)

Meri

02-04-2004, 03:06 AM

But there will be houses, etc. on the new server when it goes live... and this change will allow people who never had a chance to get housing to do so. I'm not even bitter that I paid for the expansion and people are now getting it for free. I think it's a great thing to do for the loyal players, as a matter of fact.

Generally, except for the allegiance experience changes (which I still think are the worst idea anyone's had... period), it looks ok. We're all betting who will be showing his face again in Dereth... is it the Bunny Master... or Oswald? Both seem fairly elusive.
But then it could be someone none of us have thought of...

And as far as one of the "oldest and most legendary" quests... hmm... well... it "might" be Frore... but then again...

kdthradio

02-04-2004, 03:08 AM

Hey Ibn,

Ive been all over the boards for the last few days slinging a lot of derision around because of the xp changes which I don't agree with.

With that said, I want to take the opprotunity to let loose some accolades as well. I like everything else I see in the February letter. I really do think the AC live team does a pretty awsome job. Even in a light content month we still get more quality content than other games seem to produce in a year.

I was never a video game fan. If 6 years ago some one would have said "You're going to tell everyone you know this AC game is my game, it's the best thing ever." I wouldn't have believed it. I really am a huge die hard fan of this incredible game. Work kept me out of AC for almost 6 months during the second half of year 2 of retail, Except for an hour or 2 here and there a month. It was hell. I never closed my account though. I wanted to be able to play whenever the chance presented itself, and I did and had fun every time. If the servers are ever permanently closed I'm not embarassed to say, I'll be the grown man crying over how he's going to spend his free time.

No matter how the February event goes I plan on staying on to play "My game". I also plan on not waiting to the last minute to voice an oppinion again, so I'll be hanging around the boards a little more too. I apologize in advance if I become a pain in the butt. Like my dad is fond of saying "If you don't bother to vote, spare us your oppinion. You already said it doesn't matter."

Thanks for the game, :)

Sam

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Die Hard AC fan

KsBabe

02-04-2004, 05:21 AM

Sounds good to me, I like the idea of having loot that would be good for higher lvl chars.
I have one question though, will obtaining pack dolls to finish out a set ever be added into the game? I need a few to finish out my set and I cant find them anywhere and if someone has them for sale the asking trade price is very high.

Pop4Roc

02-04-2004, 07:00 AM

Why throwing this patch at us so fast?

To tell you the truth, I hate these fellowship changes but the xp changes arent that big of a deal to me though.

Titoburrus

02-04-2004, 07:36 AM

I read the letter from the players and it seems fine enough, and then shortly thereafter there is a note on another thread here that this patch too is going to be delayed. How many of the most recent patches have been delayed now? And how many have been thoroughly tested now?

I thought I'd share a post from one of EpiK's members from our boards about this new delay and the LTTP:

This is getting really old. I hope they actually bother to test this one before dumping it on us. Price increase, giving an expansion pack away for "free", a new world that no one asked for...Man I sincerely hope they did not bite off more than they can chew. It certainly seems like their resources are maxed out at the moment.

While obviously he is not speaking for anyone but himself, those sentiments seem to ring very true with a lot of people.

Bottom line, your letter to the players is fine. It's everything else that has us concerned. While you mention you take the negative opinions into consideration when you make your decisions, rarely is anything done to address them. And while your communications has significantly improved since taking over from MS (that's a GOOD thing), all actions have seemed to go the other way. And it's actions, not words, that speak the loudest.

Just food for thought...

acpud

02-04-2004, 08:09 AM

I'm not a chain person but I do feel for those people getting shafted by this new system!!!

This new system is changing the chains but not all chains were for XP ...... family memeber was in the chain for Rank!!!

They can't take rank off an item that has been tinkered 10 times already...... or taking rank off of an item is not that easy!!! ( slim chance to none getting Rank off and item)

Why not have Rank mean something!!! besides owning a mansion or using Ranked items....

Lets call every vassles to patron a Generation
and your Vassle's Vassle is another generation
and your Vassle's Vassle's Vassle another generation
ETC.... ETC......

Now lets say you are Rank 6..... you will receive XP from Vassles that are 6 Generations down.... Providing that your Vassle can receive that same XP. ( your one Vassle could be a Rank 2 and would not get XP from a 3rd Generation so neither would you!!! )

After Each Generation you can lower the XP Percentage....
Example. ( max is the max you can make and not the max % you can get. ) ( This max XP can go by the system you were going by )
This is just an Example
1 Generation is 90% ( max )
2 Generaton is 70% ( max )
3 Generation is 50% ( max )
4 Generation is 40% ( max )
5 Generation is 30% ( max )
6 Generation is 25% ( max )
7 Generation is 20% ( max )
8 Generation is 15% ( max )
9 Generation is 10% ( max )
10 generation is 5% ( max )

Example..... your Rank 6 and is eligible to recieve xp from a Vassle that is 6 generations away.....
the character makes 1,000,000 xp
1st Generation makes 900,000 xp ( max )
2nd Generation makes 630,000 xp ( max )
3rd Generation makes 315,000 xp ( max )
4th Generation makes 126,000 xp ( max )
5th Generation makes 37,800 xp ( max )
6th Generation makes 9,450 xp ( max )

NOT the 250,000 that you were expecting. ( still better then 0 ) Remember you are getting xp from your Vassle not your Vassle's Vassle's Vassle's Vassle's Vassle's Vassle....

This system allows chains to make xp but not at the rate that they were making... keep rank alive and keep Vassles under trade mules!!

I also feel for the monarch...... I feel the Monarchs should make xp from all characters large or small..... not just from 2 generations away.

Sangria

02-04-2004, 08:11 AM

The letter was fine - sorry the Feb patch will be delayed, but things happen. It just gives us more time to handle the january patch.

As for the XP Pass up - Turbine has stated they did that in the best interest of the game. I agree - not because it will make some of you mad - but because I too am looking at the future.

There is no place to go after 126. Content is added but once you are maxed there is nothing to do but re-roll toons.

So in less than a year all your toons can be maxed in the current system. So what then? Do you keep playing or get bored and quit? The investment Turbine made is in the customers who will play for a long time to come. Letting everyone max out so fast does not promote longevity in a video game - even if you add content.

So slowing down the process to max out a toon was in Turbines and the over all games best interest.

Yes, some of players will quit - but the real gamers will adjust and continue to play. Those are the people Turbine is targeting because they know we are up to a challenge.

I dont care if I am the only one - but i am ready for the changes - good or bad. I want to see where they are going with this. No matter what they do - AC will still be the best gaming experience I have ever had.

Flesheater

02-04-2004, 09:55 AM

Sounds good to me. Would like to see more content for people in the range of 80-100. As it is now we dont have much to do really.

Ohh and please turn off WE for 2 days so we can get rewarded as darktide did:p

phitch

02-04-2004, 10:38 AM

We have some exciting new content....

Even if you added only ground hogs you'd still call it exciting. So, could you do away with that? I'm sure I'll be giddy either way.

MIdnightFire7

02-04-2004, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by acpud
I'm not a chain person but I do feel for those people getting shafted by this new system!!!

This new system is changing the chains but not all chains were for XP ...... family memeber was in the chain for Rank!!!

They can't take rank off an item that has been tinkered 10 times already...... or taking rank off of an item is not that easy!!! ( slim chance to none getting Rank off and item)

Why not have Rank mean something!!! besides owning a mansion or using Ranked items....

Lets call every vassles to patron a Generation
and your Vassle's Vassle is another generation
and your Vassle's Vassle's Vassle another generation
ETC.... ETC......

Now lets say you are Rank 6..... you will receive XP from Vassles that are 6 Generations down.... Providing that your Vassle can receive that same XP. ( your one Vassle could be a Rank 2 and would not get XP from a 3rd Generation so neither would you!!! )

After Each Generation you can lower the XP Percentage....
Example. ( max is the max you can make and not the max % you can get. ) ( This max XP can go by the system you were going by )
This is just an Example
1 Generation is 90% ( max )
2 Generaton is 70% ( max )
3 Generation is 50% ( max )
4 Generation is 40% ( max )
5 Generation is 30% ( max )
6 Generation is 25% ( max )
7 Generation is 20% ( max )
8 Generation is 15% ( max )
9 Generation is 10% ( max )
10 generation is 5% ( max )

Example..... your Rank 6 and is eligible to recieve xp from a Vassle that is 6 generations away.....
the character makes 1,000,000 xp
1st Generation makes 900,000 xp ( max )
2nd Generation makes 630,000 xp ( max )
3rd Generation makes 315,000 xp ( max )
4th Generation makes 126,000 xp ( max )
5th Generation makes 37,800 xp ( max )
6th Generation makes 9,450 xp ( max )

NOT the 250,000 that you were expecting. ( still better then 0 ) Remember you are getting xp from your Vassle not your Vassle's Vassle's Vassle's Vassle's Vassle's Vassle....

This system allows chains to make xp but not at the rate that they were making... keep rank alive and keep Vassles under trade mules!!

I also feel for the monarch...... I feel the Monarchs should make xp from all characters large or small..... not just from 2 generations away.

This seems like a much better idea then what turbine has decided to do. It will still make it possible for Trade Mules to get xp, instead of having to go spend 100+ MMD notes to gamble for prizes that dont hardly give any xp. I have a small chain, but its all family. We dont chain for the xp passup, but for rank so we can use those rank required items. Also it helps us gain xp for our Trade Mule who cant fight worth anything. Not all chains are designed to earn easy xp. Just easy xp for Trade Mules. It is easyer to have one Trade Mule then several gimped toons.

Ibn

02-04-2004, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by acpud
This new system is changing the chains but not all chains were for XP ...... family memeber was in the chain for Rank!!!

Rank is unfortunately fairly easy to manipulate through mule or inactive character swaps with players on other servers. Which is something we've talked about looking at, but it's not on the schedule at the moment.

Fiction_LC

02-04-2004, 04:26 PM

Cant wait for this next patch hope its as good as the one we just got, Been so long sense we actually had a good patch. cant wait to see what the next story arch is, BZ comming back or is his master? should be a good one :)

Boromir_LC

02-04-2004, 05:20 PM

Ummm really, get with it guys. listen to the feedback. I paid for AC:DM, and now those that didn't get a free ride, as well as some who didn't even have to buy AC to begin with. The fellowship changes really weren't necessary, though i realize in your idealistic world a fellowship must be "players hunting side by side". This is at least something i can accept, i think. However, most people dont want these new xp changes, at least in the way you are discussing. its a really stupid idea, and no one wants to sit around a casino for hours on end trying to gamble to level trade mules. thats what i call BORING. and btw i love how you reply to posts that support your idea or want more details and not to those that dont support it, ive read every single post on the xp change feedback and you haven't replied to one that said how rediculous this proposition is, because, uh... they are correct.

Silifi Of Death

02-04-2004, 05:53 PM

...Maybe you guys just don't know how to cope. You could either make an agreement with a friend to lvl eachother trademules, which is yes, STILL possible, infact it's easier. The Passup to your patron is increased, not decreased. OR, you could, God Forbid, make a self-sufficient character so you have all your trades on mains. You people make it sound like it's impossible, but it's clear you haven't even thought this out..

MeTaGarfield

02-04-2004, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Flesheater
Sounds good to me. Would like to see more content for people in the range of 80-100. As it is now we dont have much to do really.

Ohh and please turn off WE for 2 days so we can get rewarded as darktide did:p

No, please, not a week rollback.

I spent three days killing those ugly green coppar statues so I could get me an acane pedestal. (Anyone need leather? I can outfit a small bordello by now, if someone supplies the red dye plants)

No three levels would compensate me for having to do that all over once again!

Btw, between my alloy machine, the five homecoming pennants, the Olthoi resurgant, the ice box, about a dozen pack dolls and statues and my two fountains (font of Ojiijiiii and the standard one) my villa is now officially out of floor hooks!

I have kept the bed. For now.
And a beer barrel in the basement.

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Originally posted by Ibn
Rank is unfortunately fairly easy to manipulate through mule or inactive character swaps with players on other servers. Which is something we've talked about looking at, but it's not on the schedule at the moment.

I agree, rank is too easy to manipulate and any measures to counter those manipulations could kill a monarchy because of the mansion issues. Let's get rid of rank alltogether or keep it only for show and titles, that is fun.

kdthradio

02-04-2004, 07:53 PM

Silifi Of Death,

...Maybe all you guys that don't like the old system just don't know how to cope. You could either make an agreement with a friend to lvl eachother trademules, which is yes, STILL possible under the old system. The Passup to your patron remains the same and your Monarch doesn't have to suffer through a painful time consuming re-organatation process. OR, you could, God Forbid, make a self-sufficient character and just play. You people make it sound like it's impossible, but it's clear you haven't even thought this out..

See that re-wording of your attack sounds as ridculous to you as your's did to me. It sounds like this change costs you nothing, I'm gald you are uneffected by it. That isn't sarcasm, either. Other loyal groups to this game such as yourself, and not just the chainers are effected, and negatively so. I encourage everyone to stay on and keep playing and see what the true effects of this change will be. I hope we are just overeacting to it and that when the smoke clears we will all be better off. I don't believe it will be that way myself, but there are a ton of other things that keep me playing this awsome game.

People have offered up some good meeting halfway compromises on the boards, but everyone wants to win or be right. When that occurs at the expense of what might actually be good for the game in the long run, I am exasperated by it. Hence I haven't gone away. like I told Sylphia I would :P (sorry again for the misunderstanding and thanks for helping me examine my stand on this issue more closely.)

Here let me further make myself a geek. What would Spock do? By that I mean what are ALL the options and consequences of them? which option is the logical choice to benefit the game, not emotion or ego or the individual? I think people are so divided over this because the solution seems so far away from the middle ground between both side's protracted views on the subject.

As to this part of your post Ibn....

"Rank is unfortunately fairly easy to manipulate through mule or inactive character swaps with players on other servers. Which is something we've talked about looking at, but it's not on the schedule at the moment."

The pass up issue calling for Monarchies to re-organize means a change to the Rank system should have been included in the thought process and execution of the Pass-up change. I have absolutely no oppinion on what a change to the rank system should actually be since it absolutely effects me in no way shape or form as a solo player. My oppinion outside of that is, it just seems to be an intricate part of the equation. When you take the owning of a mansion or high rank requirement Items into account, these issues should have been addressed so a large Monarchy won't have to re-organize on a grand scale twice. I am sure there are a lot of items out there requiring rank that are fully tinkered leaving the owner with a hard choice. A choice that is again, unfair to force them to make.

side note: What's the up keep on a Mansion anyway? horrendous I'd assume ;) I'll go check Maggies.

And for the record Ibn I really don't have the slightest clue what your full part in any of these changes actually is. I don't know if your the messenger of the guy who makes the call or If you are the guy who makes the call or if you are part of a committe that makes the call. I just see Turbine next to your name. My point is IF I am unfairly dumping on you alone when it ain't you I should be griping to, I appologize for that.

I can't wait for the next patch either. It will be exciting on a myriad of levels. Will it be good and good for the game? we won't know for a while. So I would say I'm excited and apprehensive about the Letter to the players this month for reasons cited.

Sam

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I'm just not a fan of "Suck it up, so my life will be easier." Compromise tends to curb hostilities because no one dances in the end zone to put it in your face.

[EDIT] for grammar :p and again for grammar :p

Cuttler

02-04-2004, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Sangria
So in less than a year all your toons can be maxed in the current system. So what then? Do you keep playing or get bored and quit? The investment Turbine made is in the customers who will play for a long time to come. Letting everyone max out so fast does not promote longevity in a video game - even if you add content.

Sangria, I've played since beta and have had 3 accounts total for more than 2 years. I am "the customers who will play for a long time to come" or at least I have that history. I HATE these changes because they will extremily decrease what little xp pass-up and passthough I was receiving due to my traditional monarchy. After FOUR years, nearly five, I DO NOT want to have to develop a character slowly anymore. I don't chain either. But my small monarchy doesn't have the numbers to ensure that everyone will be given a playing vassal or two to get the xp they were getting before (which was very unoptimized in my group). The big monarchies will make happen, I can't.

Silberlowe

02-04-2004, 10:10 PM

I'm all for the changes I've seen so far. The only other comment I have to make is in regards to the people who have complained about having to pay for ACDM while everyone else no gets it free. If I remember correctly there was a coupon for a Free months subscription, which pretty much paid for the game. So I don't see any unfairness in this move. Just my 2 cents.

Askani

02-04-2004, 11:27 PM

The letter is okay, but until I see the changes, I can't really be enthused. I know I have heard a lot of negativity from a lot of people and I have played with these folks for four years or more in some cases.

No, I don't want to level slowly again, I have done that, and no desire to do it again.

At this point, I am gonna take a wait and see attitude but have also fixed my accounts so that only one will automatically renew on the 20th. The others will not be activated until I see if I want to stay in Dereth or not.

It is very scarey thinking about leaving, I have established many friends here and enjoy their company but I don't need to pay more for accounts I won't be playing since I can socialize on one.

Yes, I have been in a chain and I have been outside a chain. I was currently working on two new toons and having fun with them but with the changes, you took all my enthusiasm away. Neither of them are chained and I was not gonna chain them but oh well, we will see.

Updating the quests has been nice and it is rather exciting to see which one is being dealt with now. A couple come to mind, with Frore intriguing me the most. As for the long time evasive NPC, lol, well, I will be disappointed if it is Larry, but I know a lot of people want to see Larry harnessed, so I will wait and see on that change

Yes, I am use to change, I have gone with the flow since August of 99 but I am not doing as well with some of the new changes purposed. Time will tell.

DracheSC

02-05-2004, 10:59 AM

Content of ACDM for all? Nice gesture to those who can't find the game, but one big problem...

When ACDM first hit the market, I spent well over $50 to pre-order it and have it shipped next-day-air... And now your giving what I spent my money on, away for free? I find this to be unfair to those that have already purchased it.

I'm not saying dont do it, I'm saying if your gonna give the players who don't have ACDM something, give the players that DO have it something as well. Im not talking a refund or anything like that, but something ingame to show we were there to kill that big nasty queen when she first reared her ugly head.

Give us something to remind us why we spent our hard earned money on your product.

Pepeswiss

02-05-2004, 11:28 AM

DracheSC... come on.... DM was released a fair time ago. You paid your extra money for having something that time while others didn't have it. But in the other way... Turbine could e.g. change the Head of the Olthoi Queen just a little bit (slightly othe description, color... whatever) to accomplish your thoughts.

I think, it's a good step to unite the two releases, because it will help to make the game more attractive for returners and the futur development is a little bit easier. Turbine does not need to care about to different customer groups, they have enough to do by caring about darktide and carebears as well.

I really am interested in the loot changes, because IMHO the AC treasure system is a real USP (unique selling point) of the game. Hope the develpment will go in the right direction creating once more interesting loot.

Li of LC

02-05-2004, 11:44 AM

On the whole, I think this will be a good thing. I never agreed with restricting ACDM content to only those players who bought the CD, especially when all the benefits of that content were NOT available to everyone, in particular, housing.

I had to wait almost a year until I could get an apartment. And that only because of a good friend who found one for me and gave me the housing item before the RQs could all be snatched up. I didn't have the luxury of being able to park a bot next to a cottage with all the possible items that might be required to purchase it. In fact, it wasn't until the day before the patch that Undead Missionaries were removed that I was able to get one to drop the ring for a writ.

And I strongly disagree with the suggestion that one of my fellow LC'ers has made that all I have to do to get a cottage is move to a new server, leave behind all my friends, and start completely over to get a house. No thanks. LC is my home, and has been for more than three years, and will continue to be for the forseeable future.

Originally posted by Meri And as far as one of the "oldest and most legendary" quests... hmm... well... it "might" be Frore... but then again...

Could be Frore, but with Ler Rhan active again, I think it's a new Hopeslayer arc. Hopeslayer, after all, was a TITLE. I hope so. I missed the original BZ arc by one lousy month :-( - and I was in Nightwolf's allegiance, to boot.

AC-Vet

02-05-2004, 12:17 PM

Ibn no matter what the ideas of the players have been, the content of the game will be driven by Turbine Developers, I don't agree with some of the changes in the upcomming patch and I won't list them all here. I do not agree on the reward system for darktide players. Thier world was only effected for a couple of days.....after 4 years of playing and all the interuptions I have had on a regular servers over 4 years don't warrent a 3 level gain on DT for a couple of days worth of hick ups....I too have lost items in game...but had to suffer my own loss....I too have been penelized for someone exploiting a bug, IE duping items...which caused me roll backs and loss of items and experience. so I personaly say suck it up....at level 123.....3 levels is equal to 500+ million exp and maxes them out in levels....if your going to do for some, pass some love back to ppl that has had to put up with this for 4 years now....make it all servers and not so much exp....there is NO way that in just a couple of days....a char is going to create 500+ million exp worth of kills unless they are exploiting macroing and not sleeping at all....

I also gather the loot system can be controled if your doing loot balancing....why are Majors for mages required to have non mage skills to use them? melee or missle? why not Alore or Mana c req's? and why are 95% of the majors ws9 or 10? and have a AL of low 100's that can't be fixed by tinker skills? kind of pointless to restrict these items so much.....they are hard enough to find to begin with to have such a handicap on them.

In Closing I'm not going to fight turbine on choices they are making, I will decide what I will do when I see the effect of this change. Just like the rest of the ppl waiting....it may be a good thing or a bad thing...time will tell.

acpud

02-06-2004, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Ibn
Rank is unfortunately fairly easy to manipulate through mule or inactive character swaps with players on other servers. Which is something we've talked about looking at, but it's not on the schedule at the moment.

What is the minnimum amount of followers to make a Rank 8 Chain.... Not including yourself...

2 rank 1 vassles make you a rank 2...... and your 2 Vassles need 2 Vassles to make you a Rank 3.......and your 2 Vassles 2 Vassles need 2 vassles to make you a rank 4...... HMMMM

I'f I'm heading in the right directions....... I need 254 followers.......... 5 characters from other accounts makes it 51 other people...... 7 OTHER worlds including Dark Tide will get me 35 players from other worlds........... HMMMMM Easy to Manipulate through mule or inactive Character Swaps with players on other servers... HMMMMMMM I'm about 219 players short or a Rank 8

When does the Easy part come in again..... I forget!!!!

Not to mention wouldn't my 5 characters going to other servers hurt their Patron's AVERAGE!!!!

D X Mage

02-06-2004, 10:06 AM

All I can say is that if this Some magic additions, such as fellowship spells and improvements to the buffing process.

Turns out to be this http://www.accmty.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53134 you are going to handicap new toons.

So while I might be fine at 126+, newbies will be handicapped.

MIdnightFire7

02-06-2004, 11:10 AM

OMG ...that is as bad as the xpchain changes. What are they trying to do get us all to quit? My small toon is a 27 staffer and i hunt in the 20+ hive alone with buffs. This will make it imposible to level her any more because I know no one who is the same level as her to help me out. Heck I dont know many people. Im not all that talkative.

Grilgar

02-06-2004, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by D X Mage
All I can say is that if this

Turns out to be this http://www.accmty.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53134 you are going to handicap new toons.

So while I might be fine at 126+, newbies will be handicapped.

Reading is *fundamental*. That is for AC2.

Li of LC

02-06-2004, 12:40 PM

Don't freak out, those changes apply to AC2, where character types are (supposed to be) part of the game. Fellowship spells in AC1 would be an entirely new buff, not a nerf.

MIdnightFire7

02-06-2004, 01:07 PM

I really really really hope your right. It would definatly make me consider leaving if those kind of changes were made here. I dont want to leave I spend what little free time I have here in ac, and well reading the boards.

Ibn

02-06-2004, 02:35 PM

We don't have any plans to implement changes like that in AC1.

D X Mage

02-06-2004, 06:15 PM

I hope not. But when you look at the changed being made in AC2 and that the new fellow spells in AC2 are being used to justify the removal of the other spells from buff bots it isn't a far leap to moving the same policy to AC1.

IBN, do you believe that there would or wouldn't be a significant reduction of income if they did the same thing in AC1?

More importantly I guess has the fact that I have cut back from 5 active accounts to three and quite soon down another registered at all with you or Turbine? You do understand that some of the changes that have been made simply remove the need for me to have those other accounts active?

MIdnightFire7

02-06-2004, 06:24 PM

It removes the need for extra acounts from alot of people.

LirSetie_we

02-06-2004, 06:32 PM

well looks like we gonna be breaking out our "solleret warmers"
we gonna be heading up to the "ice city"

sounds "cool"

DracheSC

02-07-2004, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Li of LC
I had to wait almost a year until I could get an apartment. And that only because of a good friend who found one for me and gave me the housing item before the RQs could all be snatched up. I didn't have the luxury of being able to park a bot next to a cottage with all the possible items that might be required to purchase it. In fact, it wasn't until the day before the patch that Undead Missionaries were removed that I was able to get one to drop the ring for a writ.

For your information, when I got my cottage, I was working full-time, my char was only lvl 40 somthing, I had to hunt down Falatacot Missionaries for a week with some friends before I finally got a writ, and then find an open cottage WITHOUT the benefit of /house available. I understand where your coming from, but your statement that you did not have access to bots with all the items to camp a cottage, sort of sounds like your insinuating that those of us with cottages used bots and camped them 24/7...

Originally posted by Li of LC
[B]On the whole, I think this will be a good thing. I never agreed with restricting ACDM content to only those players who bought the CD, especially when all the benefits of that content were NOT available to everyone, in particular, housing.

I can understand not wanting to buy the CD for the expansion when you already baught the CD for the original game. I wasn't exactly happy either. Its a good idea to give it away, yes. I must admit, despite my own arguments, that its for the best that they release it to everyone. But guess what? Turbine is planning a new expansion! Will they charge us another $50 (of course they will), or give it to us free?

Will we have to rush out and buy another CD? Or will they make it available for download, and charge that $50 when you activate a new account key? SoE has their expansions available for download. Its nice, you dont have to hope for the game to be in stock at your local store... Maybe we'll get lucky and Turbine will cath on... ;)

pacesetter

02-08-2004, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Ibn
Rank is unfortunately fairly easy to manipulate through mule or inactive character swaps with players on other servers. Which is something we've talked about looking at, but it's not on the schedule at the moment.

IBN, So far I have stuck around even with many changes I felt were unnecessary, bad decisions, have seriously hurt the way I play (on some characters), and completely changed the way I play. I have tried to make the best of it with re-rolls and change of play style, hoping AC will have a bright future and good things will come of it.

However, If this means I will only be allowed to have characters on one or two worlds, or I have to merge my accounts with others to save rank or will have to pick and choose which characters to keep and which to not be able to play anymore then will I quit AC for good !!

I play on all worlds except DT (tho I do PK) and this has been a saving grace for me. I can make different players with differing play styles to keep up with your "changes" and to lose this means you will lose me.

I sincerely hope that I am wrong in the assumption that you will close worlds or make us play on only one or two to make mule swaps impossible. But with some other changes (xp nerf and fellowship nerf) it seems this would not be out of the realm of possibility.

Li of LC

02-08-2004, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by DracheSC
For your information, when I got my cottage, I was working full-time, my char was only lvl 40 somthing, I had to hunt down Falatacot Missionaries for a week with some friends before I finally got a writ, and then find an open cottage WITHOUT the benefit of /house available. I understand where your coming from, but your statement that you did not have access to bots with all the items to camp a cottage, sort of sounds like your insinuating that those of us with cottages used bots and camped them 24/7...

I'm not insinuating anything. I flat out saying I bought ACDM largely because of the promise of housing. And instead of being able to get housing solely on that basis, I had to stop doing the things I considered "fun" in the game for two months to hunt for a random drop and then hope I could find an available cottage AND have the correct, randomly picked, housing item. I'm not blaming you, or even those who DID use bots to get cottages. Actually, I understand their motivation.

I'm blaming Turbine for a terribly flawed process that shut out many people like myself - casual players who bought the expansion in the hopes of getting this specific benefit, and were shut out.

MIdnightFire7

02-08-2004, 12:29 PM

With the xp nerf this coming patch and fellowship nerf last patch..makes me wonder what are you guys nerfing March Patch?

GreyHulk

02-08-2004, 04:11 PM

I like alot of what I read and thx for letting us know when the CD-keys will be out.
I still do not agree with the way you plan on changing the xp passup chain fix.
First off the point is that now we have to dismantel what we worked so hard on the last 4 years.
Just me a cuz and couple reallife friends sworn to each other.
Now I have to rearange that witch I cant really do, cause of the lvls of the toons we play and where they are sworn now. I might add only 1 lvl 126 in the allegance.
It could of been posible to change the sytem but not force us to ruin are hardwork. As I dont really fell it will make that much differance in the long run.

Gryfudd

02-09-2004, 10:13 AM

With the info that all players will now have access to DM content, are there any plans to make some ML portals/dungeons tieable/summonable?

I understand the original intent was to limit access to the island to only DM owners. With that restriction now lifted, I would think this at least opens up this possibility.

Fiction_LC

02-09-2004, 05:07 PM

Actually i would think a quest for a ML recall would be a nice addition sense its the only place with out one you know?

MIdnightFire7

02-09-2004, 06:21 PM

ML recall quest would be a very nice addition to the game.

wassimk

02-09-2004, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Sangria I dont care if I am the only one - but i am ready for the changes - good or bad. I want to see where they are going with this. No matter what they do - AC will still be the best gaming experience I have ever had.
Right on, give me something new, some more balance to the class system and monsters or somethin!
You still playing Sangria, I started ya out, what, three years ago? :), I'm on HG now too, just started up about a month and a half or so.

Ifuritah

02-10-2004, 07:07 PM

Fleshblahlbah - Ohh and please turn off WE for 2 days so we can get rewarded as darktide did

Wasn't just 2 days (no), try a week. Then when they told us about the rollback on Friday (being rolled back to the Monday before), we still had to wait until next tuesday night to really play because anything we accomplished during the weekend wouldn't mean anything since the rollback took all day monday -> down for patch on tuesday and back playing at like 8 pm (pst). So our total losstime was almost 1.2 weeks.

Some people twinked Level 1-50's in that time frame - time spent by both parties - GONE. Others made near 20 levels 70-90 - time spent - GONE.
Other people doing quests such as the Weeping Weapons (very difficult when your red 100% of the time) were rolled back to the middle of the quest. Since the timer for these quest is real time now not only did they NOT have thier quest weapons anymore, they have to wait out until the Realtime timer is up to actually go finish it! Talk about a slap in the face! Oh if only your server was red for a day.

Anyhoo, back to the real reason for this post.
The XP changes are cool. I like them! Even though I can't keep my personal XP Chain (2 accounts sworn to each other) going it will make it easier for me to level my trade mules, MUCH easier and ALOT faster. So, Thank you!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! Change the Weeping weapons back to normal OR add in a salvage item to the game to make a tinker that makes items unenchantable OR make Blood Loather reduce damage by half of what it does now. That would at least be reasonable...barely. My main is a Mage btw.

A day or two roll back would have been a MAJOR improvment on this scenario.

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Desert Jade

02-11-2004, 10:14 AM

Sangria
There is no place to go after 126. Content is added but once you are maxed there is nothing to do but re-roll toons.

Thanks for the giggle :D I hadn't realized that I was doing nothing for the last 52 levels. I mean, I was hunting with my vassals, questing, exploring Dereth, (I'll let my ACERS (http://acers.phantom.to/TopTenLists.aspx) score speak for me ;)) helping family members out and working towards fireworks on skills and attributes... but I didn't know it was nothing. :rolleyes:

There is life after 126. Believe me (http://www.acstats.com/server/leafcull.nsf/open/Desert+Jade?opendocument) :) I didn't spend more than 3 years getting where I am to just reroll and start over. :p I do not consider my time spent with family and friends wasted. I do not consider the reputation I have built to be nothing.

You know the expression... if you haven't walked a mile in my shoes...

Rages

02-13-2004, 12:25 AM

In the Feb patch, will you be reducing value on armor. Finding armor thats worth 30k is useless for dt. It would be nice to have more suits of low value high base AL armor floating around, maybe make it so Darktide items aren't as high value as the other servers?

Boradoe

02-15-2004, 04:13 PM

Best place I can think of to put this. I have some suggestions for expansion.

Quick and easy for people that are used to playing other games. Let, or have a selectable toggle to allow, the 'right click mouse look' option to turn (steer) your char. Many people I know have been turned off of trying AC for long just becauswe this makes the transition clumsey.

Two row spell bar. with 7 tabs for each. The 2nd spell bar goes where the melee power thing is. And the 7 existing tabs effect the 'active' spell bar. Lack of spell bar has allways been a reason I have tended to spend more time with my melees that my favorite class (mage) I could function So much better with two spell bars. Having two bars of 7 paletts to mix and match.((buff length used to be another factor))

Give us 'Pets'! This would add so much. I suggest adding ann 8 credit school of summoning. The golems would have magical abilities, related to the other shools and levels of magic you have. Even non combat 'pack dolls' that could follow you would be an improvement.

More of the spells and effects, we are used to seeing in AC2 and other games. AOEs, DOTs, Mezzes, roots, rezzes, invis, levitation, Summon objects, bridges, walls, pets, etc., etc. it allows for more strategy, and variety.

And, of course, More player races. The lugians and tumerocs of AC2 would be ok. But others would be ok too. you would just have to adust the stat ranges a bit. Lugs for example could have strength from 20-110, and focus from 0-90 or whatever.

I have allways thought AC(1) has the best basic 'physics'. The melee implementation, the jumping, the flight path of spell bolts. the prober gravitational arc while jumping/falling, etc, etc.

Id love to see this fleshed out with a greater variety of 'effects' (pets,spells, etc.) Like we have come to expect in recent 'MM's.

I also hope Turbine keeps the good stuff in AC1 for MEO.

AC2s 'stuff' on AC1s 'physics' would be just great, I think. And it would make sense. That we start to develope the skills and abilities we see in AC2, in AC1.
:)

byteful

02-17-2004, 08:20 AM

The letter was interesting, HOWEVER, is there ever going to be any additional housing added to the game??

There is an unaddressed problem that I am not sure that You are aware of......

There are players with several accounts and they have Much more housing that seems fair. One player has two villas and several more accounts and is looking for another Villa.

Then there are those like myself that can easily afford to buy a Villa however there are also those that are selling Housing on sites such as E-Bay, etc. for a VERY large amount of REAL dollars.

Again it just seems very unfair and I didn't even know that housing was a LARGE form of "Commerece". I thought that Pyreals were made for that....

Thanks for listening to my rambleing

Zeds

02-18-2004, 04:36 PM

my thinking on the "player with several accounts having more than one cottage/villa etc" is
there is nothing wrong with each account having its own dwelling , saying otherwise is simply sour grapes about not being able to afford more accounts yoourself and distorts the true issue.
every account should have housing available for it period .

however the ebay /other aution sites sales should be made against CoC and legal action threatened against the operators of such sites if they allow sales of what is certainly not the property of the ones selling it on ebay(all AC virtual items/code belong to Turbine)

Ifuritah

02-18-2004, 04:49 PM

I think this ^ would help a bit with the house hording thats going on.

Emagik

02-18-2004, 09:09 PM

I think they should reduce the time it takes to bane armor. All banes (any lvl) at the speed of lvl 1 spells. =) Turbo banes burns comps faster but I dont think the players would mine.

The amount of comps burned per day is costly. Where not getting full used of the hour buff if you got severals pieces of armor to bane. I want to spend more time playing then buffing.

DracheSC

02-19-2004, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by byteful
The letter was interesting, HOWEVER, is there ever going to be any additional housing added to the game??

There is an unaddressed problem that I am not sure that You are aware of......

There are players with several accounts and they have Much more housing that seems fair. One player has two villas and several more accounts and is looking for another Villa.

Then there are those like myself that can easily afford to buy a Villa however there are also those that are selling Housing on sites such as E-Bay, etc. for a VERY large amount of REAL dollars.

Again it just seems very unfair and I didn't even know that housing was a LARGE form of "Commerece". I thought that Pyreals were made for that....

Thanks for listening to my rambleing

Turbine has stated in past LTTPs that there will be no more housing added to the game. On each and every server, there are well over 200 apartments available. I can understand you want a villa, but so do I! So does everyone else that doesn't have one! And guess what! Thats a LOT of people! So join the club...

Now, as for selling ANYTHING from AC on eBay and/or other auction sites... This should most definatly be made against the CoC, and punished by perma-bans and legal action not only against the auction sites, but the player who auctions said items. In a very real sense, they don't even need to make auctioning items against the CoC, as all code already belongs to Turbine, and its illegal to sell property you don't own, without express written permission from the owner.