View Full Version : Ibn, Devs, Jeff Anderson, Fellow Players, Please Read
Kajabor
08-11-2005, 09:28 PM
I wonder if this will get my banned from the boards for posting this? Oh well, what is another 3 months off from posting.
I know you don't want to be bothered with this especially since you are dealing with the launch of ToD and this has been an issue for a long time, but I think this post really defines what issues there are with PVP without the flame war.
I don't know if you have already looked at this post, but if you could just skim through it and reflect on what your opinion is on this issue, I think a lot of people would really appreciate it.
http://forums.ac.turbinegames.com/showthread.php?t=23531
I've responded to this issue in the past -- I've brought these numbers to the dev team but there is no ETA on a long-term fix.
At this point, Ibn has addressed this issue with the Devs, but they have been too busy for the past X amount of years to do anything about it.
If you ask me, I think it is time to move to the next step. I think we need to contact the Devs directly either by email, phone, etc.
This should help if you really want to get your voice heard:
Headquarters
Turbine, Inc.
60 Glacier Drive, Suite 4000
Westwood, MA 02090
PHONE: 781-407-4000
FAX: 781-329-5463
Directions
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Turbine, Inc.
1447 Cloverfield Blvd., #100
Santa Monica, CA 90404
PHONE: 310-264-2630
FAX: 310-264-2635
Directions
CORPORATE COMMUNICATIONS
PR@Turbine.com
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT
BizDev@Turbine.com
INVESTOR RELATIONS
Investor@Turbine.com
HUMAN RESOURCES
HR@Turbine.com
PRODUCT PR
PR@Turbine.com
MARKETING
Marketing@Turbine.com
TURBINE NATION
TurbineNation@Turbine.com
WEBSITE
Webmaster@Turbine.com
OTHER CONTACTS
Office@Turbine.com
In fact, Ibn, I don't mean to disrespect you in any way, shape, or form, but I want to know who I can talk to at Turbine that is higher up than you are. You have done all that you can to get things resolved in the past 4 years but the Dev team is not listening to you as an advocate for the players. I am not saying that you are not doing a good job because you are doing a fantastic job, but the Dev team is creating a huge breakdown in communication that spans, on this issue, over 4 years. I am sure that you as well as Jeff Anderson understands our fustration that is seen on the forms daily. On your corporate website, the CEO message states "But, Turbine is much more than a business -- it is about our passion and commitment." Yet, right now, the AC Devs team is falling short from this expectation by ignoring issues for extended periods of time. I would be a tremendous help if we had someone else to contact over the phone and voice our opinion to. Someone who sits a little closer to the decision makers, someone in upper management, your boss, the Dev's supervisors, anyone with a little more power than you (no offense) because posting on the boards is getting absolutely nothing done as we have seen for the past 4 years.
Again, please do not take any offense from the post, Ibn. You have truly been a tremendous help, but your power is limited and right now, we need to talk to someone that has the power to get things moving, which I know you have tried because this is not the first time we have had this conversation.
Storyteller
08-11-2005, 10:17 PM
Believe you me, I'd like to know who is higher up on the ladder than IBN myself, for personal reasons.
I'm not going to pretend that anyone has been a terrific help to me. No, I'm afraid I've found that customer service needs a serious overhaul.
Kajabor
08-11-2005, 10:23 PM
Yeah, their costumer service hasn't been the greatest thing either. There was a little bit of an improvement when they moved those responsibilties to themselves from Microsoft, but that didn't last long.
Storyteller
08-11-2005, 10:26 PM
Personally, I would have rather it stayed in the hands of Microsoft. At least Microsoft never told players that they couldn't roleplay an evil character in a roleplaying game because that was not a role open to players.
Yes, that was told to me. I have the reputation as the most hated player in the Asheron's Call franchise, and have generated the most complaints into the in-game urgent assistance. I'm proud, but since I roleplay evil I was told to reform my ways by a few envoys who didn't enjoy my style. IBN backed them up to boot, after their blatant failures, and constant backtracking on what they said.
No, I feel Microsoft wouldn't have let it go down this hard.
Kajabor
08-11-2005, 10:41 PM
WTF were you trying to do?
Monitronic
08-11-2005, 11:03 PM
No, I feel Microsoft wouldn't have let it go down this hard.
Think about that comment for a second. Microsoft sold AC back to Turbine. Judging from the success of Bill himself, I don't think Microsoft would have made the transaction if Turbine wasn't competent enough. I'm sure if you abused the urgent assistance under Microsoft, they would surely share the same sentiment that you have generated from Turbine.
meridian59gar
08-12-2005, 12:45 AM
They are not ignoring issues - they are merely not commenting. They know full well that you dislike these issues, and these issues remain the way they are because Turbine wants them that way. Their vision of the game is different from yours, and they're not going to tell you that, because then you would leave... so they say nothing.
Get used to it.
Paraduck
08-12-2005, 01:00 AM
They are not ignoring issues - they are merely not commenting. They know full well that you dislike these issues, and these issues remain the way they are because Turbine wants them that way. Their vision of the game is different from yours, and they're not going to tell you that, because then you would leave... so they say nothing.
Get used to it.If you look carefully at http://ac.turbine.com/index.php?page_id=316 you will notice "Player-vs-Player Improvements" under "In Concept." Turbine has also stated in various places that they would like to make various PK improvements. I certainly am not going to let up on it, and I doubt the PK community and DT is going to either.
McVigor
08-12-2005, 08:25 AM
If you look carefully at http://ac.turbine.com/index.php?page_id=316 you will notice "Player-vs-Player Improvements" under "In Concept." Turbine has also stated in various places that they would like to make various PK improvements. I certainly am not going to let up on it, and I doubt the PK community and DT is going to either.
Also this from a year and a half ago.
http://ac.turbinegames.com/index.php?page_id=216
I'm sorry guys, but I'm getting the feeling that we're losing this up-hill battle. I'm seeing too many unkept promises, and not enough delivery to justify paying their bills anymore.
At this point, they can fill up a hundred pages of promises and wishful thinking - and it wouldn't mean anything because the history here is that they NEVER intended to deliver.
It's become apparent that they're just stringing us along for the monthly dues at this point.
Ftuoil_Xelrash
08-12-2005, 09:57 AM
This post will most likely be locked or deleted.
That is how they "Improve" the PVP aspect of the game as of late.
If we can't be seen, then we are not a problem that needs to be delt with.
Frank The Knife
08-12-2005, 12:52 PM
This post will most likely be locked or deleted.
That is how they "Improve" the PVP aspect of the game as of late.
If we can't be seen, then we are not a problem that needs to be delt with.
Yeah the ignor it and it will go away attitude comes to mind.
Order of Chaos
08-12-2005, 05:38 PM
Are you suggesting we start a riot?
McVigor
08-12-2005, 07:30 PM
Are you suggesting we start a riot?
Definately. When they see burning tires in the roads preventing them from going home to their wives and families, and preventing the proper authorities from ever reaching them in time to save them ....
GRRAAAAAWWWWWRRRRRR!!!!!!!
I can see it now...
CNN: "In Breaking news!! Darktide descends on Turbine offices!! They've blocked all the entrances, and have a roaring tailgate party - and we're afraid of what they just might do! This irrational and motely bunch have pinned Turbine employees in their offices, refusing them respite until their 6-year issues are addressed and finally patched-up. The Government has deemed it as kidnapping, and are sending in SWAT with the Natl Guard. More as we get it, folks, but its obviously going to get ugly...."
.....it just might work!! lol
Kajabor
08-12-2005, 07:46 PM
I am suggesting that we fine alternative means to voice our opinions since 4 years of posting on the forums leads to very little action from Turbine and it is easy for someone to say "I am too busy to look at the forums" or something to the effect of not looking listening to the player base because it is not convenient even when they tell us that the forums is the main artery for player/dev communication which only one person is monitoring these boards and all that person, Ibn, can do is relay the info to the other departments.
We have been pushing for numerous years and I think the time has come we move from push to shove. I am not saying we start a riot, I say we start using other means of contacting Turbine since posting is getting us no where. A post on a forum can be a good tool for communication and getting one's point across, but a voice will always be ten times stronger and with several voices, anything can be accomplished.
I know that many of you reading this post have wanted some sort of change and have been left in the dark as to what may be done about this game. This company needs us in order to survive. If you want change and are tired of sitting, waiting days, months, even years for change, you need to voice your concerns and opinions to Turbine.
You can post if you want, but the result will be nothing. If you want things to change and you don't want to sit hoping someone at Turbine will ever see your post, write them an email, send them a letter, or call them.
If we all pitch in and call Turbine, there is no possible way they can ignore us.
Posts on a board creates numbers that no one in any corporate office ever looks at with concern, but 10 upset calls to the company has to be documented and those numbers are seen by workers and supervisors in their coporate office, not just by one person, Ibn, who passes the word along to whomever.
Do not be intimidated to contact Turbine. You pay Turbine every month to provide you not only the ability to play AC, but you also pay them to provide you with the best customer service they can provide which means you can call up as mad as you want to be and all they can do is ask you to calm down and answer your questions as curteous as possible even if you are upset.
Call them, write them, do anything that will get the point across.
Ftuoil_Xelrash
08-12-2005, 09:55 PM
CORPORATE COMMUNICATIONS
PR@Turbine.com
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT
BizDev@Turbine.com
INVESTOR RELATIONS
Investor@Turbine.com
HUMAN RESOURCES
HR@Turbine.com
PRODUCT PR
PR@Turbine.com
MARKETING
Marketing@Turbine.com
TURBINE NATION
TurbineNation@Turbine.com
WEBSITE
Webmaster@Turbine.com
OTHER CONTACTS
Office@Turbine.com
All of thease emails most likely dump into one big spam vat.
Some Poor IT person is getting flammed to hell...
Kajabor
08-12-2005, 09:58 PM
Be that as it may, at least someone else other than Ibn is starting to take notice of the situation. Even though if it is going to spam filter, an IT professional, such as myself, still has to investigate where these emails are coming from and why there is a wave of "spam" hitting their mail system.
Storyteller
08-13-2005, 09:18 AM
Do not be intimidated to contact Turbine. You pay Turbine every month to provide you not only the ability to play AC, but you also pay them to provide you with the best customer service they can provide which means you can call up as mad as you want to be and all they can do is ask you to calm down and answer your questions as curteous as possible even if you are upset.
Courteous as possible? Have you ACTUALLY talked to Turbine Customer Service reps? They are every bit as rude, beligerant, and unwilling to help on the phone as they are in the game. Sometimes I wonder where they find these people, and if they have every had any prior customer service experience.
I believe management had contributed greatly to putting AC in last place in the race for MMORG's.
#1: They are reknown for the unwillingness to help players, both in the game and out. They have often, as in the case with me, made a mistake, realized that mistake, then doing their best to transform it into something completely different to hide the fact that they made a mistake.
#2: Sub-Human graphics engine. Yes, if you put Asheron's Call next to Final Fantasy online, it's the equivalent of comparing a Super Nintendo to a Playstation 2.
#3: A constant stream of in-game mistakes which have led players to expect a rollback just about every patch when the devs discover what "super item" they have unwittingly unleashed. Ah, weeping wands when they first came out! Were this only a few mistakes every so often, no one would notice. However, it is a often occuring event. VERY often.
#4: My personal biggest gripe; IBN has made a stance that he is unwilling to allow players to roleplay a role of their choice within a ROLEPLAYING game. That's right kids! If you are extra special mean to someone in a roleplaying way, you are likely to face a permanent ban, or at least get threatened. Plus, when you write to ask for more information about why you can't roleplay, its a sure bet your emails will be completely ignored.
To tell you the truth, if I didn't have fun writing better than turbine, and I didn't feel a debt to my fellow players to continue being the villain that people want me to be, I would have left AC a long, long, long time ago.
Friends literally had to beg me to come back because my server of Wintersebb had become incredibly boring.
It's a sad day when a game company has to rely on the antics of a single roleplayer to liven up their game world. It's even sadder when they threaten that player for those same antics.
McVigor
08-13-2005, 10:06 AM
Storyteller, I hate to break it to you man - but you really can't roleplay like that on a Carebear world. The reason is, because they have no recourse to your 'evil ways'.
This is why an open PVP environment is preferred for that style of play.
On a white-world, its called 'Grieffinf' because they lack the recourse - they can't prosecute you, kill you, have you lynched or thrown in jail. Those features are not included in the nonPVP game.
You can roleplay like that all you want on Darktide. The likelihood of running into people 'more evil than you' is probably highly likely as they've had much more experience walking-the-walk rather than having it be a purely one-sided affair.
If you're grieffing on white-worlds, noone will blame them or sympathize with you for them banning you.
There's an appropriate place for that play-style. It has the word 'Dark' in it, and used to have the warning label, "Darktide is a harsh existance".
If you're going to role-play 'evil' on a white world, then you have to go 'Perma-PK' to do it. THEN, if you want to 'greif' people, at least they have a recourse if they're ticked off enough to go red and kill you over it.
If thats what you're doing then Turbine had no right to ban. But judging from the responses of other players - I'm not getting the impression that you were doing everything while perma-red.
Hiding behind a white or pink viel is pretty panzy in the general scheme of 'roleplaying evil'
summary = if not perma-red, then ya its inappropriate.
Storyteller
08-13-2005, 11:03 AM
If you're grieffing on white-worlds, noone will blame them or sympathize with you for them banning you.
If you're going to role-play 'evil' on a white world, then you have to go 'Perma-PK' to do it. THEN, if you want to 'greif' people, at least they have a recourse if they're ticked off enough to go red and kill you over it.
If thats what you're doing then Turbine had no right to ban. But judging from the responses of other players - I'm not getting the impression that you were doing everything while perma-red.
I AM perma-red. The problem is that none of the do-good pansies will go red to come after me. They rather talk smack, and hide white than give me the chance to take all of their things. I'm reknown for often killing three or four PKers trying to gank me at a time.
Mostly because instead of standing and fighting, I use environment cover, doorways with narrow halls, the inside of buildings, and anything else I can to even the odds. It is incredibly rare for me to lose in a one on one battle, and often the event is followed with a ceremonial post on the server board on www.acvault.com to commemorate the event.
Do you know why I don't go to darktide? Because everyone and their dog is a villain on darktide. I'm unique, not someone to go with the flow. I will continue to play my style of play until I am finally banned, the first martyr of roleplaying. That is what makes me who I am.
And when that finally happens, and I get banned for roleplaying in a roleplaying game, then I will move on to another without a second thought, because after all, all I lost was membership in a dying game line.
McVigor
08-13-2005, 11:28 AM
Well, see? if you're perma red, I agree there shouldn't be an issue.
thats where the line is drawn. So long as you arent breaking any of the other COC regs (like cussing, etc) then they shouldn't do squat about it. The players can, and SHOULD be inticed to handle it themselves, as it were.
whoever reported you to an envoy was just a dink.
and any envoy that would ban you under those circumstances should be reprimanded. the envoys should encourage players to do something about it themselves when such circumstances avail.
white on white, though - you can understand why he may have had an issue. makes you wonder if they moderate by chat client, or game client? lol
slamdamn
08-13-2005, 11:34 AM
the solution is easy. just quit playing like im gonna do after having played this game for 3 years. im a lvl 209 ua and im not gonna waste my time anymore. turbine is too stupid for words.
Storyteller
08-13-2005, 11:59 AM
the solution is easy. just quit playing like im gonna do after having played this game for 3 years. im a lvl 209 ua and im not gonna waste my time anymore. turbine is too stupid for words.
AMEN! Sing it brother Slamdamn!
Storyteller
08-13-2005, 12:05 PM
By the way, if any of you out there would like to see what a REAL plotline looks like, check this out:
http://forums.ac.turbinegames.com/showthread.php?t=24656&page=1
hippiechick64
08-13-2005, 07:58 PM
Im no PK, too chicken, but this thread caught my eye because of what Storyteller is saying. I have chosen the path of good, mostly to set a good example for my allegiance, but I have NO problem with people choosing evil instead. I have been flamed endlessly for my views on this and even accused of being evil in RL because I support evil in games. Its a ROLE PLAYING GAME. If I choose to be evil, gank people, take their dropped on death items, not help those in need, refuse to buff/put up ports with a sneer and snide comment, that is EVIL and its my TOON and its my RIGHT to play it that way. Ok I feel better now!
mj
Kid Kash
08-13-2005, 08:36 PM
This is why I quit. Turbines lack of communication and their customer service reps are mean as hell. They get too effing smart.
Kajabor
08-13-2005, 09:36 PM
Dude, don't take that crap from them. If they are, in any way, uncourteous, you demand to talk to their supervisor and if they pull the same crap, you keep going until you get someone who actual cares about representing their company in a professional manner.
Phantasma
08-13-2005, 10:00 PM
As usual this post will not be responded for days. Probably weeks, as Midnight's thread wasn't responded either.
Go complain to the BBB (Better Business Bureau) and you will receive a response. Turbine doesn't take BBB complains good. They don't like their name trashed there, so they will do anything to have a good reputation.
I've filed a complaint there and next day there was a response on Midnight's thread (go figure). However my complaint was weak and pretty much pointless, since I don't play Darktide full time anymore.
www.bbb.org
Good luck.
Kid Kash
08-13-2005, 10:12 PM
Yeah the BBB owns Turbine in the face.
Storyteller
08-14-2005, 06:56 AM
Complaint filed. I filed a complaint with the better business bureau a moment ago about Turbine's customer service, and misleading advertising about it being a "roleplaying" game when will not allow you to play a role. Here is the complete complaint.
"This product is advertised as a "roleplaying" game. I was instructed by Customer Service personnel, and Alex Beckers of online community relations that the ability to play an 'evil' character was not allowed in the game. However, the advertising for the product stated that players are free to choose how their character looks and acts, as this is a paramount feature of any roleplaying game. When I told the customer service individual that I was playing an evil character in context of the game, he told me, "That is not a role we allow in this game." That was not stated in the advertising to begin with, and two years worth of subscription payments have been wasted playing a character which now faces removal from the game because he 'roleplays' evil as opposed to good.
This is not only poor customer service, but deceptive advertising and I was misled into believing the advertising on the product which stated you could choose how your character acts. When I tried communicating with customer service several times to resolve the issue, my complaints were completely ignored and I was told that they would not go over 'every single detail' with me, and eventually stopped responding to my communications altogether.
I then messaged in game assistance to attempt to clearly communicate how I could properly play my character while still retaining the free choice that the game advertised, and the responding customer service individuals refused to help me as well.
I have put two years of time into this game, as well as $12 for two years, only to find out that I have been mislead as a consumer by the packaging stating that this is a roleplaying game, when in reality you have no choice over which role you play if it does not coincide with what is convienient for customer service.
Their policy of ignoring my questions and not taking time out to thoroughly explain my situation, or offer any help other than threats has made me realize that the time and money used I have used in this game has been wasted."
The settlement I'm seeking is a full refund of the money that I have paid since purchasing Asheron's call in 2002.
ElronOfDarktide
08-14-2005, 10:20 AM
If you really want your money back lodge a complaint as follows
" after paying X (your personal number) of months worth of 10-13 dollar fees for a service that was supposed to continue the company Turbine suddenly changed their buisness model in a way malicious to the players who provided them less money. Charging fee's for content patches and then stopping the content patches with the rediculous excuse that they were working on an expansion which we also had to pay for. in order to extort the players into being forced to pay for this expansion they created a situation where all the work we put into our characters, developed over years which we payed to play, would become wasted as everyone else who payed extra would have their characters power greatly increased in relation to ours. In other words turbine put the players in a situation where we had payed hundreds of dollars to reach the status we were at and then gave us the option to have a diminished status or pay extra. Most notably however in tems of having a legitamate claim of illegal buisness practices they had us pay monthly fees while claiming the content patches were starting on specific dates (dates the expansion was supposed to be realeased when the content patches were supposed to be turned back on) but repeatedly postponed this date only after we had commited our funds. I would never have paid had i known the content patches would not resume for these extra months, and turbine obviously knew their expansion would not be ready for realease with more then adequate time to have this information available prior to the payment periods deadline."
Feel 100% free to copy and paste this exact text........ your "not able to roleplay" sadly is covered by their EULA fairly iron cladly ..... but charging for patches that don't exist for the time before the expansion and then after we pay delaying the expansion further and further multiple times is actually something you could demand compensation for.
if everyone who played AC and truely felt ripped off by this practice lodged this complaint you better believe there would at least be some ripples sent out thru the online community. Even if we didn't get money..... turbine would be exposed to people who don't play their games currently as the shady + horrificly bad dev's they deserve to be well known as. seriously "keep paying 13 bucks per month, the patches are starting in 2 months, (1.5 months later)... we ment patches will start in 5 months ... but by the way thanks for the 26 bucks" .... yeah... and if you don't pre-order the expansion thus at least commiting to playing all the months untill it comes out we will gimp your character forever.
Elron
Unfortunately your assumptions are incorrect.
You pay a monthly subscription fee for access to the game Asheron's Call. You do not pay to get monthly updates nor does the fee that you pay insure that these updates will happen.
So far, the history has been that the updates happened on a monthly basis. The employees at Turbine worked to make this happen regardless of your subscription fee.
The monthly updates made for a better gaming experience overall and compelled you to continue paying your monthly fee. By doing the monthly updates Turbine was satisfying a large customer base.
If they stop the monthly updates and change their business model, it might be unwise, it is not at all a breach of contract.
If you no longer feel the services provided by Turbine (ergo. access to the servers) is enough for you to continue paying for access to the servers then you will cease paying.
It is in no way due to the fact that your assumptions that your subscription entitles you to monthly updates.
Kid Kash
08-14-2005, 12:59 PM
^ well on the AC box, it says monthly updates.
So either they are lying, youre dickriding or both. I say both but you seem like a fanboy.
Only fanboys say "errrrrrrr you dont pay for the updates". Fine no updates and look where the game went. Use your effing brain.
Although I think it will be a fruitless effort I will try to explain it to you.
1) The world is not fair.
2) Putting a 'feature' on a game box and then correlating that to an entitlement is childish and naive.
3) I do not even play the game anymore however being an adult and a professional in the computer/service industry I understand this issue.
4) The argument of someone being a 'fanboi' has always been the cry of the ignorant.
5) The world is not fair.
I understand you are upset by the state of things and maybe you are justified on being angry at the monthly updates.
You are wrong if you think a feature is an entitlement.
This might be the biggest blow to you so far in your young life and if I can help you through this somehow please let me know.
Kid Kash
08-14-2005, 02:29 PM
Although I think it will be a fruitless effort I will try to explain it to you.
1) The world is not fair.
2) Putting a 'feature' on a game box and then correlating that to an entitlement is childish and naive.
3) I do not even play the game anymore however being an adult and a professional in the computer/service industry I understand this issue.
4) The argument of someone being a 'fanboi' has always been the cry of the ignorant.
5) The world is not fair.
I understand you are upset by the state of things and maybe you are justified on being angry at the monthly updates.
You are wrong if you think a feature is an entitlement.
This might be the biggest blow to you so far in your young life and if I can help you through this somehow please let me know.
If you are going to put it on the box, live up to it. Oh wait I forgot, its Turbine. They dont follow through with anything.
And little sheep like you will find any excuse with no real proof just to back Turbine up. The world is not fair....no really. But doesnt mean we have to deal with it and sit back like you and use the "if you cant beat em, join em" quitting attitude.
If you need help is breaking away your lips from Ibns genitals, PM me. I can help you because it seems you are getting money for giving Ibn a *******.
I congratulate you and your use of 01' flaming tactics. It has been a long time since people had the nerve to use archaic material and I applaud you.
You seem incapable of understanding one fact, you are not entitled to monthly updates.
I am trying to guage how to get this through to you. I think the only way is in the use of visual pictures from your tribe.
You think this is what you are doing,
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/4089/youthink1oi.jpg
But in reallity you are,
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/7767/youare9pn.jpg
Hopefully the lack of bison and spears will not throw you off too much.
Kid Kash
08-14-2005, 03:14 PM
You talk about my comebacks yet you make crappy ass pictures like you are someone special? LOL
Like I said, Ibns wang on your tonsils must make you think you feel like you are someone special.
Just because YOU say we arent entitled, doesnt mean we are. Show me where Ibn and Turbine and Microsoft say we arent and I might take you seriously. Otherwise, you are talking out your ass kid.
I was trying to get down to your level, it has been so long since I have been there it is hard for me to guage when I should have stopped. Also, the message on the pictures obviously worked since all you could do is comment on my MSPaint skills.
Nobody has to tell you anything. The burden of proof is on the accuser not the defendant.
Please provide materials that backup your claim that your monthly subscription pays for monthly props and that you are entitled to it.
If you can do that I will be proven 100% wrong and will appologize to you publically.
I also think that I will be accepting my award for the first man to jump to the moon around the same time.
Go for it, I wish you all the luck.
p.s. if you would like to continue with the nostalgic run down board warrior lane please visit http://board.madoshi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4 so the gloves can come off.
Kid Kash
08-14-2005, 04:27 PM
Obviously you have no proof and are talking like a big shot. Why should I should proof when you are talking like you know so much? Show me some proof or going to back down and tuck your head in the dirt again.
Cant take you seriously. Stop joking and be serious for once in your life little girl. You are a nobody, remember that.
Yeah we pay to play the game but I doubt we pay just to play and pay these retards. Without monthly patches, the game just went into the toilet and thats why AC is soon to be doomed. Good job Turbine killing your own game. I wouldnt trust you with my effing plants because you would probably kill them too.
The burden of proof on on the accuser. I can then accept or argue points you bring up.
It is your conjecture that Turbine only does monthly props based upon your monetary contributions.
I would like to see why you think this.
Since I do not think this is true and it has never been proven to be true the burden lies on you.
Remember, I am not expecting much from you nor do I expect you to do anything other than sit and pout some more.
DarkIncantation
08-14-2005, 04:42 PM
All this talk about Turbine makes me ill. They have been (#&(%&# since the beginning. I think MS is the only one that kept them going, thought they made MS out to be the 'bad guys" I quit AC over a year ago, it just kept going down hill and they had no intentions of fixing it.
I play FFXI now, yeah every game has problems, but its the effort there to FIX them that is absent with Turbine.
I was looking at something on this page http://www.ddo.com/
hmmm a new MMORPG.. oh wait... there is a name at the bottom...
TURBINE. F that. I wont touch that game with a 10 foot pole.
For all of you that plan to venture to this new game (oooh) I do hope you plan to play goodie goodie characters. I mean, there are no BAD people in D&D.........
Midas touch, everything they handle turns to &*^#(%
/rant off
:mad:
Storyteller
08-14-2005, 04:47 PM
Yeah Darkie, bad guys NEVER are players, cause then they would be like...villains or something, and that is not a role that is allowed in any game. Well, not in Dungeons and Dragons....well, not if you don't read the chapter on playing evil characters and the Book of Vile Darkness. But what do you think are the chances that Turbine will care enough to actually read some of the material they are basing an entire online game on?
Remember folks, the Better Business Bureau is your friend!
Kid Kash
08-14-2005, 07:22 PM
Doesnt matter anymore Jida. Youre just a joke so whatever you say isnt legit. No merit at all.
Ill let you think you are 100% right using your little ******** quotes like it makes your point harder if it makes you sleep better at night.
Kid Kash
08-14-2005, 07:52 PM
Its not the matter of giving up, its the matter is not wasting time on you during the PMS hissy fits. I dont have time for this childs play.
Go play somewhere. You are the defeated one since you couldnt prove your little Turbine fanboy comments right.
Yes, I have seemed far too out of control this whole time.
Please go to http://board.madoshi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4 so we can pick this conversation up again.
Thanks buddy.
Kid Kash
08-14-2005, 08:28 PM
Why? You wont back up anything you say since you are "the right one."
You are just wasted time. Luckily atm I am bored and you are helping me get post count.
Based upon your grammar I would say you need all the practice you can get.
Oh and if you go to Madoshi I have no plans on talking about AC at all.
Kid Kash
08-14-2005, 09:03 PM
^ expected
*yawn*
Next weak attempt of a comeback even if you have to resort to pointless attacks at my grammar over a message board.
I find it ironic that you think I am attacking you. I simply pointed out that practicing your grammar is a good thing.
Also, this board is not for personal attacks.
If you want to see the other side go over to Madoshi. I will not drag topics into the mud over here.
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