You guys need to face the reality

[MannyCalavera]

from my VN post:

AC has the best physics engine of the MMOs for PvP, besides that, it has nothing. Turbine has consistently made AC, and especially PvP, worse. IMO (and I think many others), PvP and balancing issues are in their worst state ever. Years later, balance issues, lag, and safespots still ruin AC's true potential. New issues like 450+ hps, low damage all around, and one shot ring spells just add to the existing problems.

And guess what, Turbine isn't fixing anything. The only time DT has even been mentioned by a dev since ToD launch was the day it went down. There has been no mentions of PvP balances or fixes coming, not even on the "In Development" articles. They are too busy trying to keep the masses (if you can call AC's population that), which does not include PvP'ers, playing their game.

Take a look at the two big games they have coming down the pipe. Neither DDO or LotR have any kind of PvP whatsoever in them, not even duels. They have made it clear, they probably won't do it either. Hell, on the DDO boards, they have confined all PvP discussion to one THREAD (yes, thread), and you can get banned for posting anywhere else on the subject. So, how do you think Turbine feels about PvP???

[meridian59gar]

AC's physics engine is horrible, as is PK. If you want a real PK-focused MMORPG, try Meridian 59. Not the best graphics, but I feel that they're better than AC's. M59 is also *actually* balanced, and, best of all, not run by Turbine :p It also has all the community factor that AC used to have but lost, and has been around for a good 8 years now with several updates. It's good stuff :) none of us can quit because it's still better than every other mmo :(

[MannyCalavera]

hehe isn't it 2D? Are you a dev or marketer for the game? Sure sounds like it.

AC does have the best engine of the MMOs out, it's the only one currently with a real physics engine...you can't dodge projectiles in any other game.

Unfortunately, that's all it's got going for it these days. Instead of adding new dimensions/systems to the game, they just keep adding carebear quests for housing items and such.

[meridian59gar]

It's 3d... and, no not a dev or a marketer, just a player who's been around and knows how bad MMO's are doing (they're evolving bad things and getting worse as time goes on). Believe it or not, dodging projectiles doesn't make a game's PvP good. Skill, strategy, and speed do. Any skill involved in AC PvP only comes from the manipulation of bugs that were never intended by the devs. How sad is that?

[McVigor]

It's 3d... and, no not a dev or a marketer, just a player who's been around and knows how bad MMO's are doing (they're evolving bad things and getting worse as time goes on). Believe it or not, dodging projectiles doesn't make a game's PvP good. Skill, strategy, and speed do. Any skill involved in AC PvP only comes from the manipulation of bugs that were never intended by the devs. How sad is that?

whats sadder is that you have no clue wtf you're talking about. Thanks for playing.

dodging projectiles is a tactic (strategy+skill) and requires speed (reflex+coordination) to pull off with any regularity. So is figuring out a way on the other end, to get tactically close enough that your projectiles are more difficult to dodge. (since we don't have manual aim)

Games with heatseeking, guided missile attacks that go through obstacles, or around them amount to what I will call - A SPREADSHEET GAME. I define it as such because it plays the same way wether or not there are graphics AT ALL. RPG's have such unique promise in the "VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY" (read: Hand-eye Coordination, Reflex, Player Skill) and noone has the balls to do it, or they simply lack the vision required.

Thats what saddens(-sickens-) me.

Nothing wrong with the spreadsheet for an RPG, either - just that it should not comprise the whole of a players ability. 25% stats/skills(spreadhseet), 25% equipment(spreadsheet) and 50% player skill, ideally. (hand-eye coordination)

In AC it is currently 50% stats&skills, 35-40% equipment, 10-15% player skill WITH those things you're callin exploits. Remove them, and you narrow that to 5% player skill. (for the landscape obstacles when you can get a chance to use them. ie: when you're not caught stuck in midcast to die.) The loose physics in AC allow us a way to work within its structure, and achieve that sense of 'gameplay' many of us who PVP ultimately want MORE of. Not less.

The 'feel' of Realtime combat and diminuative sense of 'self determination' is what seperates AC from the rest of the crap out there. Yes, WOW is crap by my standards. (and is no-less a CLONE of DAOC with traditional Warcraft 'toon' graphics. DAOC had RvRvR (read: 3 team conflicts) AC2 had KvKvK conflicts. Am I supposed to be enthralled that WOW provides only Alliance v Horde?

In short - until the industry puts more game in their games, we're doomed to the same swill for another decade.

Incidently, AC's physics are pretty good. There is a number of things that can be done to make things harder to dodge, and they demonstrated that with streaks and arcs. (velocity - streaks & alternate pathing - arcs, that act more like arrows than bolts.)

[meridian59gar]

You are what I call a 'small town PvPer.' You have never played better, so you assume what you have played is the best.

WoW is garbage, I agree.

Meridian 59 is not. You should play it to get a taste of real PvP before you go off on a rant about dodging and such. There is dodging in Meridian 59, and there is also *aiming!*, something Asheron's Call doesn't have. There are spells which don't miss, there are also spells that create stationary walls (like fire, or lightning), there are spells that have an effect for an entire area, etc... too many to list. I can't begin to explain how awesome this game's PvP is. It's:

1: truly balanced. I'm sure that's important to you, after living with Turbine for so long.

2: not class-based. I run a character in Meridian 59 that is entirely unique. I am literally, out of the thousands that play, the only one with my build.

3: skill based: sheer template power will *never* auto-win a fight. Speed, strategy, twitching, and planning will win the day.

4: got awesome community. You will never run from town to town feeling like you're alone on an empty world. Wherever you go, you *will* run into people, people that you actually know! The world is connected and thriving. We've had global chat for 8 years ;p

4:The guild system is incredible, and, personally, the guild hall system is the coolest I've ever seen. Your guild can own one of a couple dozen halls (each unique with its own design, theme, and strengths/weaknesses), and, best of all, these halls can be *fought over*. Yes, enemies can steal them and gain all of the loot in the vaults inside. Guild hall fights are the funnest times I've ever had in a MMO.

6: NO GRINDING!!!! There is building, yes, but you build only the skill or secondary stat that you want to build, and you can always be doing multiple things at once. For example, to increase your maximum mana, you can hunt for mana nodes hidden across the land (some involve fights to get to, others devilishly hard puzzles, and a few are just sitting out there easy ;p). Or, you can fight monsters tougher than you to increase your HP, while also working the weaponskills or spells you're using to kill them. Every skill and spell is on a scale from 1 to 99%, and max HPs (you start with 20) are 100 + your Stamina stat (up to 150). There are no 'grandfathered supermen', there are no 'xp whores' who are invincible.

7: Deaths matter! You lose a HP on death and 1-2% in many skills, along with dropping your entire inventory. A message is also broadcast to the entire server when you get that kill. Don't think this is a Quakefest, though, as deaths can sometimes be avoided by logging off (kind of like being captured, as your enemies must keep you from logging back on for 10 minutes, giving your guildmates time to potentially rescue you). If that ten minutes passes, your character is penalized with inventory loss (falls on the ground where you logged) and potential HP and % loss. Logoff penalties increase every time you get penned; death penalties do not. It's a nice balance of penalties that allows you to fight without fear of losing everything every time you go out, while still risking quite a bit. Damage is fast-paced, so many deaths happen when people overestimate their survivability.

8: No item treadmill! While gear does matter, you won't have to spend ten months of your life making a matching color suit. On the other hand, there *are* rare items in the game that offer added power - but these items are a luxury, not a necessity. Believe me, nothing's more satisfying than dropping the smug guy who thought he was safe in his magic spirit helm that he won in the last tournament ;p

9: God-run events. The gods are impartial, but not aloof. They run events regularly, from tournaments to monster invasions. Only the best will win what they have to offer :)

and much more... gah there's just too much to list. You just have to try it yourself.

[VitaminX]

Meridian heh ... all i have to say is "Hail Sire!"
http://gr.bolt.com/games/pc/rpg/meridian6a.jpg

[McVigor]

you must be a salesman!

[meridian59gar]

No salesman, in fact I'm the player Gar on server 101.

Nice to see you played, VitaminX ;p you should know that last year Meridian got a huge graphics engine upgrade (the entire engine, not just textures) and it went by flawlessly. Here's examples:

http://tinypic.com/b6yp9h.jpg

http://tinypic.com/b6ypgp.jpg

http://tinypic.com/b6ypmw.jpg

[Legendary_Mo0se]

Wow, you really have no taste in games. This game you're speaking of has the worst graphics I have ever seen in my entire life, and the inventory does not look in the least bit promising. You complain about a game which I have reason to beleive you've never played. The PvP in Asherons is not bad, it takes alot of talent and tons of people dont have the nuts to play Darktide or pk that much. These glitches, actually are not glitches they make perfect sense with the physics system, if it were a glitch Turbine would have fixed it a long time ago. The items are awesome looking and alot of games can't compete with the work that was put into this game. As for the cheap unbalanced pvp, you're completely wrong. Turbine has evened out the pvp for all templates and characters. The weeping weapons helped, and the hollow weapons are feared in the eyes of a lower health mage with a bad tinkered suit. Now mages are not all mighty as they used to be, and archers+swordsmen etc, have a much better chance against any other template. I can't remember the last time anyone or I was actually able to have the skill or the right in game template settings to always win. The game is well balanced, and you're just into lame games thats all. Meridian 59 looks like this game I played when i was in third grade, which is a long time ago, whereas AC I have played since 5th grade and has been every changing and evolving. Back off us Asherons Call players, we pwn you and you're just scared of our skills. kthx

[Shaolin]

"if it were a glitch Turbine would have fixed it a long time ago."


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a....
hahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahaha.


No really, you should do standup.

[Caffeine]

Dont expect anyother game to have freedom of movement like AC for a long time. It is just way too easy to exploit, and many companies dont want the hassle that comes with it.

[meridian59gar]

Legendary_Moose, you're not just a small town PvPer, you're also jumping to unfounded conclusions from almost no information. Asheron's Call PvP is *really bad*. Trust me, I've played solely DT for 5 years. It's also funny that you judge games on graphics when you play Asheron's Call.

Meridian 59's inventory system rules. It's a facet of pvp; fast switching of gear and item use without any stupid animation breaks or 'combat modes'. Meridian also has way more freedom of movement than AC - you'll never be sitting in one place like a doof waiting 5 seconds for a spell to cast.

The main thing that keeps me playing M59 and leaving AC is that M59 is based on skill, has a great community, and is actually fun. When I think of AC, I remember how I spent 90% of my time grinding, 5% of my time running from ganks, and 5% maybe actually having real fun PvPing. Not so in M59 - there it's 95% having fun PvPing, 5% posting on message boards to spread the word of Fun to the heathens.

[McVigor]

To each his own.

I tried M59 and couldn't get into it. It's not even worth checking out recently because there is no free trial, etc. $10.95 just to 'check it out' isn't exactly worth it either.

Its not very user friendly. The configuration options SUCK - so making it as 'fluid' as *I* like is impossible.

The graphics blow in comparison to AC, and I'm soooo DONE with Billboarded "Wannabe" 3d. I thought they went officially OUT in the 80's. Jeez.. its so low-tech it runs way too-fast on my machine - so I can't even understand where you come off trying to tell me its balanced... balanced class-to-class, weapon-to-weapon, but what about 300mhz versus 3.3ghz?

M59 may be great for those who adore it. New players, however, tend to expect a LOT more. If they can't jump right in and have a sense they understand what they're doing, it fails.

M59 is dated bad. Their graphics upgrade doesn't even produce quality that the 90's made the standard.

In short - its too old to spend $10.95/mo on, and I feel bad for the idiots (read: suckers) that pay that for a game thats barely worth $3.95/mo in todays market.

If you like it better, GREAT! go back to it. Stop trying to sell it to people here.

I can only speak for myself, but my expectations are a LOT higher. Esp given its monthly fee, and terrible terrible 3d implementation.

It's Doom 1, but Doom 1's graphics are far superior to that rubbish (as far as consistency goes.)

I flat refuse to play any game that looks like Doom1, and still uses 'billboarded sprites' for $10.95/mo.

People have standards. Mine are not so low. (and yes, I would pay way more than $12.95/mo for a worthy game, just that no such game exists.)

[Caffeine]

Do you feel bad for the idiots(suckers) who pay 12.99 for AC also?

[Legendary_Mo0se]

Yeah, I feel bad that we pay $12.95 a month, but we dont have crappy graphics from 1987...B.C....Really, just go play your game, we don't need to "face a reality" that is just tainted with your horrible taste in video games. So leave us hardcore players alone, we play the game for a reason, we like/love the game. As for stand up, yes I do stand up. Back to the subject at hand, F*&% off and go play your ancient crappy game please. Turbine pwns, eat it.

P.S: If you played DT for years, you must have just been horrible because its fun for me and the many others who play it day to day.

Darktide 4 lyf3


Last Minute Edit: Ok, why are you even on an AC board if you play another game?

[Caffeine]

The oO in your name speaks volumes.

[McVigor]

Do you feel bad for the idiots(suckers) who pay 12.99 for AC also?

$12.95 last I checked (not that it matters, really.)

and as that **usually** comes with new content monthly. Yes. I have no qualms with $12.95/mo for AC, provided everyone keeps to the deal.

When they (Turbine) doesn't keep to the deal, there's nothing obligating me to continue playing part to that deal either.

Is there?

It's as simple as that, really.

If Turbine doesn't deliver what you consider your $12.95/mo as their part of the deal - if you continue to pay them, then yes. You'd be a sucker.

[meridian59gar]

Alright, if you want to talk as if this is a twelve year old e-peen contest, I'll respond in kind.


> "Its not very user friendly. The configuration options SUCK - so making it as 'fluid' as *I* like is impossible. "

You obviously haven't played the game. You can change any key or mouse button to absolutely anything you want - *anything*.


> "Jeez.. its so low-tech it runs way too-fast on my machine - so I can't even understand where you come off trying to tell me its balanced... balanced class-to-class, weapon-to-weapon, but what about 300mhz versus 3.3ghz?"

Except computer speed has nothing to do with anything in Meridian. "Low-tech" means it won't lag anywhere at all, for anyone. As for 'balanced', you've been so traumatized by AC that you have no idea what 'balanced' even means. 'Balanced' means ANY character build can win given enough driver skill - but that doesn't mean some builds aren't better than others for a given situation. 'Balanced' means no set 'classes', no cookie cutter garbage. Balanced means noone feels like a gimp simply because of their build, and noone is godly simply because of their build. Meridian 59 is not a template game like AC.


> "If they can't jump right in and have a sense they understand what they're doing, it fails."

The game's early learning curve is ridiculously easy. Are you saying you had a problem understanding it?


> "I flat refuse to play any game that looks like Doom1, and still uses 'billboarded sprites' for $10.95/mo."

You mean you refuse to actually try something new, for fear you will fail. The graphics are not bad; you are finding excuses to justify your fear of leaving the garbage that is AC.


> "Turbine pwns, eat it."

That's why most of DT spends their days on these forums screaming about how Turbine f'd them over this patch, and there is never any satisfactory response. Why don't you realize that you are unhappy with AC's PvP? It's *terrible*! You all hate half the things involved in PvP! It's never going to get better.


> "Last Minute Edit: Ok, why are you even on an AC board if you play another game?"

When I finish grad school, I plan to go into game development. I keep tabs on AC, because Turbine provides me with a grocery list of how to do things completely wrong. I don't even feel bad for them anymore; they've passed into the realm of ridiculous with things like Curse of Raven Fury and the horrible mishandling of the expansion...



Bottom line is, if you judge a game on graphics, you'll only ever get screwed. The market is moving towards glitzy but terrible games. Take a look at console video games: gamecube, PS2, etc, all garbage. NES and SNES? Classic, amazing quality games. Same applies here. Trust me, you'd be having far more fun in Meridian 59.

[Legendary_Mo0se]

Sir, the game is fun because the graphics bring out the richness in exploring. It just goes along with the game, its just a great game and its no f*** up at all. Really why is it rated one of the best MMORPGs? This and Everquest, which I don't like, are the best rated and truly are the best there is to get. Planet Side is excellent also but is not an adventure MMORPG. But what I'm trying to get at by answering this post, is not to convince you Asherons is the greatest thing known to man. I'm simply mad because YOU came onto TURBINES forums and totally shat on the game. This is for the players not the critics, I'd love it if everyone would save that for a forum elsewhere or in a magazine. So please just go take your opinions somewhere else, I wouldn't go onto another games forums and say, "You have to face this reality that the game you like is terrible and this game is better!". I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but adds do it much better than some punk coming onto a forum to critisize a game that many others love.

Go to your game and keep your opinions to someone who cares for them unless they're nice.


Now to adress this DTers really hate this game and how it effed them over. If so, why do they still play it? For configuration and this fluid feel you speak of, and the aspect of people not being able to jump right in it fails, this is appearently not true in the least bit. I started playing this game in fifth grade, yeah thats when you're ten years old. Maybe even younger. I got the game, my friends got the game, we all dove in and understood, it can take a mentor, but it's not tough to understand this game. It is an awesome game and I have no issues with it...Most people whine and say its gay, thing is they play it and love it but are just little sissies. I've been ganked, I've had no balancing issues, there is ALWAYS a way to beat the other person, just who is smart enough? It comes down to adapting and most people do not get that.


Think about how its unbalanced, if you can come up with a legitimate list as to how it is so, I'll say im sorry sir I was wrong, Asherons is the worst game ever. K?? Now start this whole list deal on how PvP is terrible and how this other game you speak of is better.

[Return of VC]

As for stand up, yes I do stand up.

And I believe it. You prove yourself yet again with the next statement:

Turbine pwns, eat it.

You are just full of them!

[meridian59gar]

Asheron's Call isn't popular or rated well. It is a dying game that has been made fun of for its laughable amount of cheats, hacks, and exploits. There is a reason that the game is down to a twentieth of its former population: every single patch brings a new bug, exploit, or horrible decision by Turbine. Let it go; the game you remembered is gone. It's time for you to try something new and actually fun. Meridian 59 is the most fun MMORPG out there no matter what you're looking for; thus, the choice is logical.

If you're looking for exploring, every single NPC in M59 is unique and has their own personality and look. The NPCs actually talk with you and eachother, laughing, gossiping, complaining, and even trying to get you to buy stuff, just like real people. Every town has the same uniqueness, vibrance, and life - there is a warrior's stronghold on a jungle island; there's desert towns, royal cities, scholarly academy towns, farm towns in the open plains, and many more. What does AC have? Cookie cutter NPCs that sometimes aren't even the right sex, towns that might as well be copy and pasted onto the landscape, and about four terrain types. I rest my case...

[Cezium]

this isn't a board to compare AC with other games. This is a board to comment on asheron's call's PK and suggest fixes.

Really ACs pvp could be fixed up real nice if the balance between damage health and healing was fixed up for all classes so that when someone screws up they die much easier than they do now.

Then DT would just need dropped barriers and maybe turning off the mansion recall command and i'd be set to change servers.

[Legendary_Mo0se]

You see, Cez is right the barriers does need to be dropped and the mansion recall is a load of bs at times. I don't care though, the game is the one I like, now please, stop trying to sell us your peice of crap game. We or most of us don't want it. Go comment on another game elsewhere please. Turbine still pwns I don't care what you say, just grow up and comment elsewhere prz. ty.

[meridian59gar]

> "You see, Cez is right the barriers does need to be dropped and the mansion recall is a load of bs at times. "

> "I don't care though, the game is the one I like, now please, stop trying to sell us your peice of crap game"


In the same breath, you talk about how crippled your game is, yet say you don't care and that a better game sucks. Why does this better game suck? Because there aren't any mansion barriers, mansion recalls, or bad game companies behind it?


> "We or most of us don't want it. "

I don't see a large number of people supporting you. In fact, I don't see a large number of people supporting AC at all.


> "Turbine still pwns I don't care what you say, just grow up and comment elsewhere prz. ty."

From the way you speak, and the way I speak, I would likely be accurate in judging myself older (and quite wiser) than you. 'Ty, come again.'

[Legendary_Mo0se]

In fact last time I checked...I didn't come to offend you for liking your game for no reason. Therefore in a way, I'am wiser than you. But we're all different people and I understand that, but theres no need to insult our game on our forums. I wouldn't do it to that game you play =P.

[Return of VC]

So will Turbine still "pwn" when AC1 shuts down sometime next year because of their neglect and incapability to handle the game? I'm curious, if Turbine is still doing good in your eyes, then when could any company possibly do wrong? Since Turbine took over, what has happened to the game that was truly good? I cannot think of one darned thing, but boy, I couldn't begin to count the monumental screw-ups, many of which go unaddressed, even after years. Turbine, as it is now, had little to nothing to do with creating AC and DT. That was done primarily by different people, long ago. The entity that Turbine has since become has done nothing but harm AC1, and there is unfortunately no hope left for it to go anywhere. It has reached an all time low after an EXPANSION, no less, and Turbine has already shown that they intend to continue following the same path until the game is run into the ground.

They will squeeze ever last dollar out of it in any way possible, with regard for the good of the game and the loyal customers progressively becoming less and less important. When the game is nothing more than a dry and empty shell, it will be cut off. You, the loyal customer of the original Turbine product, the only reason they even exist, are expendable.

Everything is a trick now. They used the AC expansions to train new employees for their upcoming games. They rely on simple gimmicks that are not good for the game in the long run, like the gems, increased level cap and extra skill credits, and double xp weekends to sell the expansion, instead of actual content and improvements to the game. They even stopped updating the game for half a year, pushing back the release date of the expansion for months, but never compensating for the lost content updates that should have been there in any way. They say they will address this and that, but they never seem to get around to anything, or they just do something simple and worthless and act like they have fixed everything to quell the rioters just for the time being, creating a false sense of hope that keeps people hanging on, only for more empty promises. What's next?

[Legendary_Mo0se]

Hmmm, you do make a very good point, but I will correct myself. Turbine does not pwn. Asherons Call however, does Pwn and I enjoy playing it, that's all. Not a crime I don't think....Although our own leader here in America did commit a terrorist act....And is not under any pressure after doing so...Maybe it is a crime to like AC =/ but I love it.

[Cezium]

yeah they haven't done anything good for the game in a long time. the best game ever has turned into just a good game that we are attached to hoping it can come back to being really good somehow.

[Return of VC]

It is not a crime to like AC. It was once the greatest game I have ever seen, but that was a long time ago. The crime is what Turbine has done to a game that is supposed to improve with each month. If you can still enjoy it, be grateful. Many of us unfortunately cannot tolerate it anymore, as much as we would like to be able to. We don't want AC to suck. We want it to be what it once was and what it should have grown to beyond that, but at this point, as sad as it is, we have to accept that it is not a realistic hope, as Turbine still has their dirty hands all over everything.

[Legendary_Mo0se]

True, but I still love it, I have no idea why. But you guys don't need to critisize me for it =/

[McVigor]

Alright, if you want to talk as if this is a twelve year old e-peen contest, I'll respond in kind.


> "Its not very user friendly. The configuration options SUCK - so making it as 'fluid' as *I* like is impossible. "

You obviously haven't played the game. You can change any key or mouse button to absolutely anything you want - *anything*.


> "Jeez.. its so low-tech it runs way too-fast on my machine - so I can't even understand where you come off trying to tell me its balanced... balanced class-to-class, weapon-to-weapon, but what about 300mhz versus 3.3ghz?"

Except computer speed has nothing to do with anything in Meridian. "Low-tech" means it won't lag anywhere at all, for anyone. As for 'balanced', you've been so traumatized by AC that you have no idea what 'balanced' even means. 'Balanced' means ANY character build can win given enough driver skill - but that doesn't mean some builds aren't better than others for a given situation. 'Balanced' means no set 'classes', no cookie cutter garbage. Balanced means noone feels like a gimp simply because of their build, and noone is godly simply because of their build. Meridian 59 is not a template game like AC.


> "If they can't jump right in and have a sense they understand what they're doing, it fails."

The game's early learning curve is ridiculously easy. Are you saying you had a problem understanding it?


> "I flat refuse to play any game that looks like Doom1, and still uses 'billboarded sprites' for $10.95/mo."

You mean you refuse to actually try something new, for fear you will fail. The graphics are not bad; you are finding excuses to justify your fear of leaving the garbage that is AC.

hahahahah!! Look - I said "To each his own" if you don't like my critique of your beloved fanboi game, thats fine. I did try it. I didn't like it. I told you why "rationally" without berating you personally. (I *DID* berate the game, and the price

In MY OPINION it is garbage, OK??

I can't map 'tilde', nor my 3rd, 4th, or 5th MOUSE buttons - In order to get NPC's to talk you have to read the instructions to know what commands they will/won't respond to. (and the format of such commands)

I don't have to like it - and me not liking it does not make me a "12 year old trying to flaunt my epeen"

Its me basically telling you - "ITS NOT FOR ME", and I believe I said as much directly. (and certainly not at $10.95/mo)

If you want to be that way, fine - Just know this. This isn't a M59 msg forum. This isn't an appropriate place to pundit for M59, anyway.

If you want to get all pedantic and criticize me for not liking your game, fine. But seeing as how this isn't an appropriate venue for it, I'd prefer that you just went back under that dinosaur and left the rest of the folks that don't really care about M59 the hell alone.

But the fact that you WON'T give it up, and shut up about it isn't a testiment of 'OUR' narrowmindedness, its a testament to your own. If you are a grown-up, maybe even you can acknowledge that?

Good lord, the folks you meet on the internets. ;p

[meridian59gar]

> "In MY OPINION it is garbage, OK?? "

And, in my opinion, it isn't. You continually rag on a game that you haven't played recently enough to even know what it's about (yes, you can map the tilde and 3/4/5 mouse buttons), then you complain that my opinions weren't asked for and aren't necessary. Pot calling the kettle black?


> "I don't have to like it - and me not liking it does not make me a "12 year old trying to flaunt my epeen""

No, it doesn't, but the way you respond does:


> "But the fact that you WON'T give it up, and shut up about it isn't a testiment of 'OUR' narrowmindedness, its a testament to your own. If you are a grown-up, maybe even you can acknowledge that?

Good lord, the folks you meet on the internets. ;p"


Are you a hypocrite? In the same breath you say something dumb, then 'good lord, sigh! lol!' in a condescending manner... I am not trying to convince you in particular, as I believe your kind of people are beyond hope and are the reason games are evolving worse instead of better. However, more people than just you read this thread, and they might be interested in an actual fun game and perhaps joining it in defense of good games everywhere. It really is a war - if we lose it, we'll end up playing WoW clones for the rest of time.

[McVigor]

> "In MY OPINION it is garbage, OK?? "

And, in my opinion, it isn't. You continually rag on a game that you haven't played recently enough to even know what it's about (yes, you can map the tilde and 3/4/5 mouse buttons), then you complain that my opinions weren't asked for and aren't necessary. Pot calling the kettle black?


> "I don't have to like it - and me not liking it does not make me a "12 year old trying to flaunt my epeen""

No, it doesn't, but the way you respond does:


> "But the fact that you WON'T give it up, and shut up about it isn't a testiment of 'OUR' narrowmindedness, its a testament to your own. If you are a grown-up, maybe even you can acknowledge that?

Good lord, the folks you meet on the internets. ;p"


Are you a hypocrite? In the same breath you say something dumb, then 'good lord, sigh! lol!' in a condescending manner... I am not trying to convince you in particular, as I believe your kind of people are beyond hope and are the reason games are evolving worse instead of better. However, more people than just you read this thread, and they might be interested in an actual fun game and perhaps joining it in defense of good games everywhere. It really is a war - if we lose it, we'll end up playing WoW clones for the rest of time.


This is a testimony to the fact that you are taking OFFENSE to my not liking something that you do. It doesn't matter when I tried it (just this last week as a matter of fact), nor does it matter what you *think* I could/could not map. (the In-game configuration did NOT let me set/map EITHER of those keys AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY.) So stop trying to tell ME what I did and did not frikking do. Mmmmkkaaay???

I urge you to read back my responses and yours.

Note firstly - that I'm irritated that you're trying to play a "Salesman" on another games forums. (professionaly unethical if you work for M59) You keep talking a lot of crap about how other peoples opinions aren't worth anything- only yours are. And any differing opinion from yours means the sudden death of the gaming industry.

Then you BLAME me for getting just a wee-bit condescending??? hahah

My friend, you lack the sense god gave a mule in determining exactly what *my* tastes are. You'll also notice I don't jump to the defense of AC in any of your PVP-related comments, either - I know the problems all too well. I did defend the FACT that AC's graphics are better than M59. I won't pay that price for that quality. Period.

If you think thats a valid way to judge my taste in games - so beit, you can bite me.

If you can step-off a bit, and realize, hey - he doesn't wanna pay $10.95 for a game that looks and plays like it was made in 1987. You should say, "Fine, to each his own."

The fact is, you deserve every bit of my condescending tone for as long as you continue to lash-out like some M59-zealot and I'm glad you spend your free time complaining about "how my taste in games is going to ruin the industry" bleh blah blah...rather than playing it.

I like a FPS RPG. I've played others. (Magestorm, Spellbinder) I think M59 had that 'style' going for it. Its too primitive and the speed is too high to play 'rationally'. (tapping the turn button spins me a full 180degrees, I have to 'feathertap'... Do you understand????**it needs to be modernized** At least up to Spellbinder standards.)

The graphics suck. Bitmapping is dead. Has been for a decade now. it needs to get with the times -- or at least up to par with AC's "true" 3d. (3d avatars, too) 2d Avatars define 2.5d (Doom1) in this industry. k?

I'm a little pissed off, actually - that hearing all your praise about it, I went ahead and spend a Non-refundable $10.95 just to **try** it. (read: no free trial) I gave it a good 3 hours, and left pretty frustrated and unimpressed. I payed, and can still pay $9.99/mo and play Magestorm, Spellbinder, and all of Mythic's older games (Darkness Falls) etc for far less.

Thats like 6 games for $9.99 (because of how 'dated' they are www.mythic-realms.com.)

paying $10.95 for the one, given whats there - ... does not justify given my background.

[ChildoftheKoRn]

The weeping weapons helped, and the hollow weapons are feared in the eyes of a lower health mage with a bad tinkered suit.

ROFLMFAO that quote right there shows everyone how much you know. Im sorry but how many "Low healthed mages" with rofl "bad tinkered suits" are there exactly? Im sorry but its time for you to get outta pkl and onto the red screen.

[meridian59gar]

McVigor, in that case, log back on and keep playing. It's worth it to get past the shock of a new game and find out what m59 is really about. You've got that month regardless, right? Also, did you know you can set the mouse sensitivities?

If you're on server 101, I can help you out with gear and stuff.


> "he doesn't wanna pay $10.95 for a game that looks and plays like it was made in 1987. "

Looks, maybe; but are you paying for looks or are you paying for a fun way to spend your idle time? As for playing like it was made in 1987, you must have some serious problem with setting up the controls - my controls are the exact same as the ones I use for Doom 3. You should ask for help with that on www.gilcon.net/m59forum - they're good people.

[ChildoftheKoRn]

McVigor, in that case, log back on and keep playing. It's worth it to get past the shock of a new game and find out what m59 is really about. You've got that month regardless, right? Also, did you know you can set the mouse sensitivities?

If you're on server 101, I can help you out with gear and stuff.


> "he doesn't wanna pay $10.95 for a game that looks and plays like it was made in 1987. "

Looks, maybe; but are you paying for looks or are you paying for a fun way to spend your idle time? As for playing like it was made in 1987, you must have some serious problem with setting up the controls - my controls are the exact same as the ones I use for Doom 3. You should ask for help with that on www.gilcon.net/m59forum - they're good people.

Rofl uh oh, now that he has you he wants to be your buddy, now hes settling down that he has someone to play with!

[McVigor]

McVigor, in that case, log back on and keep playing. It's worth it to get past the shock of a new game and find out what m59 is really about. You've got that month regardless, right? Also, did you know you can set the mouse sensitivities?

If you're on server 101, I can help you out with gear and stuff.


> "he doesn't wanna pay $10.95 for a game that looks and plays like it was made in 1987. "

Looks, maybe; but are you paying for looks or are you paying for a fun way to spend your idle time? As for playing like it was made in 1987, you must have some serious problem with setting up the controls - my controls are the exact same as the ones I use for Doom 3. You should ask for help with that on www.gilcon.net/m59forum - they're good people.


Nah thats ok, I'm officially over it. Cancellation process actually suspends your account so you can't play for the rest of the month anyway.

[Mehtios]

This thread is retarded, you are a complete o.0 meridian and you obviously are just another skilless prick whos pissed that he could never master pk. I will duel anyone IG on any type of char for MMDs.

[Jida]

You call someone an o.O. and then say you want to duel?

Hahahaha!!!!

[meridian59gar]

> "This thread is retarded, you are a complete o.0 meridian and you obviously are just another skilless prick whos pissed that he could never master pk. I will duel anyone IG on any type of char for MMDs."

A carebear you say? I say you are the carebear, because you cling to the only kind of PvP you feel good at. You won't go to the better PvP game (Meridian 59) because you don't have your gank squad with you there. You will sit on AC until the day it dies, screaming about how great you are in a game that nobody even cares about anymore. I've seen it before, and I'll see it again.

:o

The trick is to bring your gank squad with you when you go to M59 :eek:

[tribalflame170]

its offical he ether works for them or is just a idiot.

Im not going to say anything beyond this:

Meridian 59 = I wouldnt pay 5 cents to play that game. It looks like something Id make in a starters programming class to get a D-

[TRuthSeer]

Why is ANYONE responding to this troll?
This is AC PvP forum right? not Meridian59 annoying advertise bot forum. :mad:

Since almost nothing in this thread is even on topic and is hijacked, could we just get it locked already..... and move on to more pressing AC PVP MATTERS .....

There are flaws with ANY game, doesn't mean you have to argue with every infomercial O.o that passes by... next it'll be some M.U.D. rep spamming about free gaming and unlimited creativity :rolleyes:
Lets move forward, not backwords....

Nuff time wasted, logging back on.

[meridian59gar]

I'd like to know how you handful of trolls on here make your decisions. I really would. I advocate a better PvP game and you call me a o.O. Does that make any sense? Nope. You log into a better PvP game and trash it because it has older graphics. Do graphics have *anything* to do with great PvP? Nope.

You seem to simply accept that AC is the only kind of MMO there is: buggy, laggy, grinding, boring, and having terrible PvP. Actually, I believe I am talking to younger players (12-17), because you are exhibiting the same behavior as highschoolers. You've only ever been one place, so you think everything is that way. Too bad you're wrong: AC is bad; very bad. You should try new MMOs - actually try them, not log in for 2 minutes, find an excuse to quit because you're frustrated that you don't know everything about it already, and then trash the game publicly... you're going to have to play new games eventually when AC dies; might as well get started now.

[tribalflame170]

eh I have played most of the major MMOs and ill be the first to admit that ac has alot of problems but you should not advertise another game at all on anothers forum. Thats just completly disrespectful to the entire company (I admit Turbine should probally give the game to someone who would take care of it better. AC was alot better when MS owned it and I hate MS with a passion.) I know I said my first post on this topic was gonna be my last but just seeing this guy i mean his name has the game written in, come on thats pretty stupid if you dont want people to think your not trying to advertise it.

FYI: im 20 so do not think you know everything about me while you yourself is completly disrespecting the people that are keeping this game alive (in a manner of speaking)

As for the PVP action, this is the best game I have personally played console or PC (next to some FPS of course).

[meridian59gar]

> "As for the PVP action, this is the best game I have personally played console or PC (next to some FPS of course)."

Actually, I agree that AC is better than the other games barring the one I play now (it's the reason I still played AC til so recently). I didn't really mean to advertise Meridian like this, but random trollers kept challenging me. From the games I've played, I'd say M59 > AC >> Eve Online >>>>> WoW > UO > SB. No other games really had PvP worth mentioning. It's not that AC has bad PvP per se, but that the industry has bad PvP and it's getting worse because people flock to the glitziest, lowest quality games.. I make it my business to recommend better games, so that, in the future, I and other gamers will have better games to play, not worse games.

[tribalflame170]

but still it is being advertised and it is being rather disrepsectful to this company even if I do think it could be run better. Im not some uber programmer or someone that really knows a crap about the 'biz' as it is but I do know that the way they are taking this game, it will die out soon.

Cezium: yeah they haven't done anything good for the game in a long time. the best game ever has turned into just a good game that we are attached to hoping it can come back to being really good somehow.

this is completly and unfortunatly very true I believe thats how the majority of us feel at the moment.

[Osium]

M59 wasnt even the best PVP game of its time, let alone a good PvP game.

DSO was 100x the game M59 was for pvp.

I've played pretty much every single MMORPG since "The Beginning", I played DSO instead of NWN.

I'll preface my ranking with this about DSO. DSO was turn based, it was more like playing speed chess against multiple people. It required all the things that a realtime mmorpg require, but it was just different. Quick thinking, quick reactions, planning, both short term and long term as well as problem solving. About the only thing it didnt really require was exceptional hand eye coordination, however it was useful. I won't rate it with the real time mmorpgs, but suffice to say it is easily in the top two or three pvp games i've ever played.

1) Asherons Call (Beta June through December 99')
2)Ultima Online
3)WoW
4)DaoC
5)Rest of the crap EQ clones.

Let me quickly explain WoW versus Daoc. Both games are similiar, however Daoc is more focused on a group dynamic. The control/engine are absolutely garbage. WoW just feels better. The game flow reminds me more of AC, despite the instahit/check resists style of magic and projectiles. I rate Wow ahead of Daoc because it is more condusive to fun pvp. On the other hand WoW's actual pvp system is total garbage. Its a toss up really, whatever flavor you prefer.

I've spoken to many people in great detail about this "list" mainly UO vs AC. To a man (or women as the case may be) everyone who played AC in beta or early final and reached a basic level of competency agrees that early AC was THE best PvP they have played. Most people however passed on AC and stuck with the dead horse UO, or worse EQ. They still hold early UO pvp as the best.

You may notice the absence of Shadowbane. Shadowbane was a debacle and doesnt even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Daoc let alone AC or UO ;p

[-Kaxak-]

No salesman, in fact I'm the player Gar on server 101.

Nice to see you played, VitaminX ;p you should know that last year Meridian got a huge graphics engine upgrade (the entire engine, not just textures) and it went by flawlessly. Here's examples:

http://tinypic.com/b6yp9h.jpg

http://tinypic.com/b6ypgp.jpg

http://tinypic.com/b6ypmw.jpg


ROFL!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA , you have GOT to be kidding me! Atleast I sure hope you are ......... I bookmarked those pic's for when I need a good laugh !!!

[Delupin]

http://tinypic.com/b6ypmw.jpg

The third of Meridian's pictures. Considering all the plaudits he's given this game, I couldn't help but laugh at the private message from one of his acquaintances, "AstroCreep", visible in this picture ...

AstroCreep tells you, "sup"
You tell AstroCreep, "nothin u"
AstroCreep tells you, "bored outta my mind"

[RuthlessDT]

lolz

You can play Meridian59 free-server at www.meridian911.com

I also hacked the server software from the russians, so its possible to setup & admin our own servers ;)


7 meg zipped server software, quickly expands to 200+ megs once world is generated, and player base created.

70 meg client.

i think ima setup one again just for kicks.

[meridian59gar]

Heh, cept his server, being a 7 year old version of the game, is full of hacks and cheats... not to mention, stupidity. Play that if you like upside down purple trees and everyone unable to kill eachother because they've all got god mode...

By the way, hey Ruthless :rolleyes: long time no see.