Thining of re-subbing, need info

[Sizlunt DT]

Can anyone tell me the sum total of the changes that have been made to the loot system? Mainly need information about mage casters, are loot generated casters viable in PvP, i.e. better than weeping?

[Pimpinsins]

mages havent had any real changes if you can play a melee they kill everything and if you cant do that make sure you get al 680+ buffed armor or learn to jump spin while casting stam 1.

[Sizlunt DT]

So weeping is still what they use and loot wands still suck for damage? Or what, didn't really answer my question.

[Cezium]

I am not sure when you unsubbed.

Last year sometime wands were added with a +% bonus for pvm and pvp to one element. pvp bonus is 1/4 of pvm bonus. pvm goes from 1-10% Green garnet salvage raises pvm 1%. Since the last changes these wands are useful compared to weeping.

I use a CB wand on ff. Average hits seem to be above 200, it is only +6 or so pvp% it's 2 points off max pvm(330 wield). I think it's better than a weeping for damage. Also having a mana c bonus helps a lot i think but I had quit pvping on my high level and was using a <126 so maybe my mana c just sucked.

CS i was not impressed with when I first used it on patch day. I haven't done any conslusive testing because it was that bad.

Top level armor is more important to have now, although I don't fight tons of melees.


If you did go for just a +8 or 9% weapon with low value you would have one made and tinkered in less than a day i think.

[Sizlunt DT]

So what, they upped melee damage but not mage damage? Lame.

[ChildoftheKoRn]

So what, they upped melee damage but not mage damage? Lame.

They added the spirit drinker spell that you can get like 5-6% pvp boost i believe, still not much.

They dont need much more damage, just need to **** with wards and make aegis a lower set % damnit!!!!!! arrrrrrrrrg im almost tired of saying that. IF they did that then balancing weapons would be sooooo much easier.

[Sizlunt DT]

They added the spirit drinker spell that you can get like 5-6% pvp boost i believe, still not much.

They dont need much more damage, just need to **** with wards and make aegis a lower set % damnit!!!!!! arrrrrrrrrg im almost tired of saying that. IF they did that then balancing weapons would be sooooo much easier.


Yup, thats the problem. But if you do that than morons will come here screaming about being nerfed, so they just need to up the damage so we can avoid that nonsense. Before I left, I was hitting for as low as 108 with wars, which, considering how hard it is to hit decent people, is just sad. Crits I had were around 190-230. If damage is still in that range I am not coming back.

[ChildoftheKoRn]

They need to implement the stiff finger policy (Rofls). That if they m ake a fix they dont listen to whining sons of *****es, but listen tot he more logical points of views backed with numbers and possibly even suggestions. If thye still want to make money off this game they should have a test server up likie they did ages ago and just use the stuff on there to test it out and get PLAYER FEEDBACK. Of course they would have ot give a list of changes (PLEASE dont worry about people finding out about the latest dungeon and all since they will 30 sec after patch anyway). But mainly focused on new items and such. POssibly red world? Make it yield more exp better loot and so on.

Turbine, this is OUR baby. Not yours. You only owned it for a short period of time, if you want it to thrive again do us well. Word of mouth spreads quicker than most internet banners. there wer people playing this game that had 5+ accounts. You want money? Do what the player bases want, decent job with the melee damage but you cant just expect that to be it, its an ever evolving world you must help it evolve for the better! and most importantly RED IS DIFFERENT FROM WHITE WORLDS, TREAT IT AS SO. Theres still so much more that can be done with thsi game...........for the better. If you tap into this games potential you can make so much more money. Oh ya, not to mention that thing called customer satisfaction!!

[Sizlunt DT]

But what about the damage? Is my damage still going to cap at around 230 with a crit? AM I going to hiut for as low as 107-108 through aegis and wards?

[ChildoftheKoRn]

But what about the damage? Is my damage still going to cap at around 230 with a crit? AM I going to hiut for as low as 107-108 through aegis and wards?

well, its a nerf with wards, you know how turbine is with nerfs. Thats how hard most people hit, 80-120. Wards are currently 10 and 15 (havent really seen any mods much) aegis is 25% cap with max magic d (rare but still some in there) but more extreme melees are coming out.

I say, make wards 5, 7, and 10% goin from minors to Majors.

Set aegis at either 10-15% either at a set point o rmake it magic d based again but not so much (i'd be happy with 10), people iwth magic d spec get a greater % taken away but doesnt make them pretty much invincible.

Thats goin to be around 15% increase in damage for mages if everyone has the majors and maxed magic d. (

you dont want to make wards useless but then again you don twant them too powerful. Aegis needs to have a set amount of % reduced yet at the same time dont make it too powerful, I believe 25% is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too powerful.

I really dont want to give an increase to magic damage since that could still throw things out of wack.

WE NEED A TEST SERVER FOR THIS, AT LEAST GIVE PLAYERS THE RIGHT TO TEST OUT IDEAS!!! rararar lol.

[Cezium]

mage vs melee got a little bit better for mage damage. but melee damage got A LOT better. Melees who can barely dodge have a chance to win fights.

[Sizlunt DT]

So where is the damage at? Sorry, I didn't mean for this to turn into a debate, I simply want to know the range for mage damage with casters/ I'll be more specific:

What is a low end hit with war magic through Aegis and wards?

What is an average hit, i.e. what damage am I likely to do per hit through aegis and wards most of the time?

What are crits, without a CB wand, what is an average crit (I prefer CS melee wands is why I ask)

[ChildoftheKoRn]

So where is the damage at? Sorry, I didn't mean for this to turn into a debate, I simply want to know the range for mage damage with casters/ I'll be more specific:

What is a low end hit with war magic through Aegis and wards?

What is an average hit, i.e. what damage am I likely to do per hit through aegis and wards most of the time?

What are crits, without a CB wand, what is an average crit (I prefer CS melee wands is why I ask)

I dont have definate numbers. But coming from a person with no majors and a extreme melee with 200 base magic d wielding an aegis. I get hit for 200ish. But people with majors aegis and max magic d you get hit for 80-110 damage.

Melees did get a boost in damage hihger than mages got. But keep in mind a good mage can still kill a melee. Theres some mages that still dont die to melees 1v1. But ya if you get ganked, your dead. But the fact of the matter is melees can actaully compete now.

Ya CB does actaully need work because some swordies can hit for around 260 if they hit head feet or hand on full power. so in some small chances you can get 2 hit. Otherwise most physical damage (archers/melees) all have been highly upgraded so everyones viable now.

[Sizlunt DT]

I dont have definate numbers. But coming from a person with no majors and a extreme melee with 200 base magic d wielding an aegis. I get hit for 200ish. But people with majors aegis and max magic d you get hit for 80-110 damage.

Melees did get a boost in damage hihger than mages got. But keep in mind a good mage can still kill a melee. Theres some mages that still dont die to melees 1v1. But ya if you get ganked, your dead. But the fact of the matter is melees can actaully compete now.

Ya CB does actaully need work because some swordies can hit for around 260 if they hit head feet or hand on full power. so in some small chances you can get 2 hit. Otherwise most physical damage (archers/melees) all have been highly upgraded so everyones viable now.


If I am hitting for 80-110, I am not coming back. That is asinine. Not to say that I don't think melee's should hit hard, but mage damage should reflect the fact that a hit is by no means guaranteed, hell that even getting the spell off in the first place is not guaranteed. If melee's are hitting for as high as mages, then the system sounds inherently unbalanced. 80-110 is pitifully low, even lower than it was when I played a year ago.

I agreed a long time ago that melees needed a power boost, but so did every class. If they just increased melees and left mage damage alone, it sounds like they did a poor job of balancing things. Mages should hit on the low end for aroun 150-175, crits above 270. I don't like the idea of tanking, and it sounds like now the main strategy of melees is simply to tank wars until the opponent dies.

Crap, at 80-110 that is 3-4 hits to kill a high level melee, all they have to do is heal and you won't ever kill them. The melees dieing in this situation must be pathetic.

[Cezium]

on my guy with lower war(not max imbue) I hit someone warded(no aegis) for 256 on a crit with cb. of course crits are very rare with that though. It just seemed like CS was bugged and it's normal hits were weaker than CB normal hits from my very limited use.

[Sizlunt DT]

on my guy with lower war(not max imbue) I hit someone warded(no aegis) for 256 on a crit with cb. of course crits are very rare with that though. It just seemed like CS was bugged and it's normal hits were weaker than CB normal hits from my very limited use.


CB hits are 256 without aegis? Dude that sucks. So basically, everyone got their damage raised except for mages, the loot casters for mages still suck in PvP. Man before I left I was hitting people through wards for over 300 with CB, I was hoping the damage increase would have made CS a viable alternative, but that can only happen if the damage is increased.

Thanks for the info guys, I won't be coming back for this.

[Frank The Knife]

I get hit for about 130-180 with major wards and a 23% aegis reduction. Mage hits are really all over the place I could have a fight when I get hit for 160-180 or 130-150.

Weeping crits me for 200+ easy or 180-210+.

That is for max war mages.

I imagine that melees not lvl 200, with low aegis reduction or no major ward must have a hard time these days.

[Sizlunt DT]

Frank, you want to do me a favor and go in game and have someone test out a max VS. players CS elemental wand against you (with the appropriate vuln of course)? I want to see where loot generated caster dmage vs. crits are at, and it sounds like you have a good temp to test it out on.

[Frank The Knife]

We did and the weeper beat it out.

I will find someone and retest.

[Cezium]

CB cold wand, started +8pvm, 9 green garnet i had major pierce ward, not sure about his wand
vs. minor cold ward, no aegis

22:58:38 Copying chat to pkl.txt. Run command again with no arguments to turn off logging.
22:58:40 You say, "Cruath Quavik"
22:58:42 <Tell:IIDString:1342590997:Crom ben Karim>Crom ben Karim<\Tell> says, "Cruath Quaril"
22:58:43 Crom ben Karim resists your spell
22:58:46 You say, "going to log for damage"
22:58:46 Crom ben Karim cast Archer's Gift on you
22:58:46 You say, "Cruath Quavik"
22:58:48 You cast Gelidite's Gift on Crom ben Karim
22:58:49 <Tell:IIDString:1342590997:Crom ben Karim>Crom ben Karim<\Tell> says, "rgr"
22:58:53 You say, "warded cold?"
22:58:55 <Tell:IIDString:1342590997:Crom ben Karim>Crom ben Karim<\Tell> says, "yes"
22:58:57 You say, "ok"
22:58:58 <Tell:IIDString:1342590997:Crom ben Karim>Crom ben Karim<\Tell> says, "minor"
22:59:00 You say, "go :)"

22:59:21 Critical hit! You freeze Crom ben Karim for 296 points with Frost Arc VII.
22:59:38 Crom ben Karim impales you for 137 points with Force Arc VII.
22:59:51 You frost Crom ben Karim for 156 points with Frost Arc VII.
22:59:52 Crom ben Karim impales you for 147 points with Force Arc VII.
22:59:55 You frost Crom ben Karim for 138 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:00:31 You freeze Crom ben Karim for 214 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:00:35 You frost Crom ben Karim for 156 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:01:24 Crom ben Karim resists your spell
23:02:26 You frost Crom ben Karim for 172 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:02:38 You frost Crom ben Karim for 155 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:02:43 You frost Crom ben Karim for 208 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:02:43 Crom ben Karim impales you for 154 points with Force Arc VII.
23:02:46 Archer's Gift has expired.
23:02:54 You cast Gelidite's Gift on Crom ben Karim
23:03:00 Crom ben Karim cast Archer's Gift on you
23:03:06 You frost Crom ben Karim for 163 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:03:46 You frost Crom ben Karim for 169 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:03:49 You frost Crom ben Karim for 180 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:04:11 Crom ben Karim gores you for 198 points with Force Arc VII.
23:04:14 You frost Crom ben Karim for 138 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:04:17 Crom ben Karim impales you for 131 points with Force Arc VII.
23:05:06 You frost Crom ben Karim for 169 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:05:33 You frost Crom ben Karim for 175 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:06:01 You frost Crom ben Karim for 202 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:06:04 You frost Crom ben Karim for 172 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:06:04 Crom ben Karim impales you for 142 points with Force Arc VII.
23:06:17 You frost Crom ben Karim for 174 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:06:21 You frost Crom ben Karim for 152 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:06:35 You frost Crom ben Karim for 138 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:06:51 You frost Crom ben Karim for 167 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:07:04 Archer's Gift has expired.
23:07:04 You say, "Cruath Quavik"
23:07:04 Crom ben Karim cast Archer's Gift on you
23:07:06 You cast Gelidite's Gift on Crom ben Karim
23:07:12 Crom ben Karim resists your spell
23:07:13 Crom ben Karim impales you for 141 points with Force Arc VII.
23:07:17 You frost Crom ben Karim for 150 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:07:28 Crom ben Karim impales you for 129 points with Force Arc VII.
23:07:46 Critical hit! You freeze Crom ben Karim for 258 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:07:56 You freeze Crom ben Karim for 214 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:08:09 You frost Crom ben Karim for 150 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:08:35 You frost Crom ben Karim for 201 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:08:40 Crom ben Karim impales you for 180 points with Force Arc VII.
23:08:54 You frost Crom ben Karim for 180 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:09:32 You frost Crom ben Karim for 165 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:09:51 Crom ben Karim impales you for 178 points with Force Arc VII.
23:09:55 Crom ben Karim impales you for 137 points with Force Arc VII.
23:10:08 You frost Crom ben Karim for 203 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:10:35 Crom ben Karim impales you for 127 points with Force Arc VII.
23:10:37 You frost Crom ben Karim for 206 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:10:42 You frost Crom ben Karim for 166 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:10:51 Crom ben Karim resists your spell
23:11:03 You chill Crom ben Karim for 46 points with Sudden Frost.
23:11:05 You chill Crom ben Karim for 57 points with Sudden Frost.
23:11:05 Archer's Gift has expired.
23:11:28 Crom ben Karim resists your spell
23:11:31 Crom ben Karim resists your spell
23:11:33 Crom ben Karim cast Archer's Gift on you
23:11:38 You cast Gelidite's Gift on Crom ben Karim
23:11:53 Crom ben Karim impales you for 160 points with Force Arc VII.
23:11:56 You chill Crom ben Karim for 70 points with Sudden Frost.
23:11:59 Crom ben Karim impales you for 138 points with Force Arc VII.
23:12:34 Crom ben Karim gores you for 207 points with Force Arc VII.
23:12:39 Crom ben Karim nicks you for 36 points with Outlander's Insolence.
23:12:41 Crom ben Karim stabs you for 51 points with Outlander's Insolence.
23:13:19 Critical hit! You freeze Crom ben Karim for 269 points with Frost Arc VII.
23:13:23 Crom ben Karim suffers a frozen fate!
23:13:29 [Allegiance] <Tell:IIDString:0:Crom ben Karim>Crom ben Karim<\Tell> says, "gg Cez :p"
23:13:32 [Allegiance] <Tell:IIDString:0:Waddy>Waddy<\Tell> says, "gg"
23:13:35 <Tell:IIDString:1343158414:Gogo II>Gogo II<\Tell> says, "that was like 30 minutes long"
23:13:40 Chat log pkl.txt closed.

[Sizlunt DT]

Very nice, PK looks to be in good shape. I already resubscribed, DLing the patch as we speak. Don't know when I'll get to play unfortunately, I have finals all day tomorrow, finals Friday, then I'm in San Francisco for the weekend for my bachelor party, then next week I am doing wedding stuff all week, get married next friday, then two days later I am in Australia until June. So I might get to play a couple hours here and there, but for the first time in years I am looking forward to playing AC.

[Cezium]

cs wand started +8 pierce, +9 green garnet (+17 base damage percent, not going to figure out +pvp% right now)

23:22:38 You cast Archer's Gift on Crom ben Karim
23:22:45 Crom ben Karim cast Archer's Gift on you
23:23:00 Tupac Shakur has gone offline.
23:23:02 Critical hit! You gore Crom ben Karim for 239 points with Force Arc VII.
23:23:23 You impale Crom ben Karim for 171 points with Force Arc VII.
23:23:30 You impale Crom ben Karim for 146 points with Force Arc VII.
23:23:50 Crom ben Karim impales you for 164 points with Force Arc VII.
23:24:07 Critical hit! You impale Crom ben Karim for 201 points with Force Arc VII.
23:24:29 You impale Crom ben Karim for 147 points with Force Arc VII.
23:24:34 You impale Crom ben Karim for 153 points with Force Arc VII.
23:24:46 Critical hit! You impale Crom ben Karim for 199 points with Force Arc VII.
23:25:17 You impale Crom ben Karim for 150 points with Force Arc VII.
23:25:20 You impale Crom ben Karim for 181 points with Force Arc VII.
23:25:32 Critical hit! You impale Crom ben Karim for 194 points with Force Arc VII.
23:25:50 You stab Crom ben Karim for 44 points with Outlander's Insolence.
23:26:12 You impale Crom ben Karim for 175 points with Force Arc VII.
23:26:32 You impale Crom ben Karim for 120 points with Force Arc VII.
23:26:57 You stab Crom ben Karim for 51 points with The Spike.
23:27:23 Critical hit! You impale Crom ben Karim for 198 points with Force Arc VII.
23:27:42 Critical hit! You gore Crom ben Karim for 215 points with Force Arc VII.
23:28:52 Critical hit! You impale Crom ben Karim for 204 points with Force Arc VII.
23:29:37 You impale Crom ben Karim for 166 points with Force Arc VII.
23:29:44 Critical hit! You impale Crom ben Karim for 203 points with Force Arc VII.
23:30:05 You impale Crom ben Karim for 137 points with Force Arc VII.
23:31:09 You stab Crom ben Karim for 57 points with Force Arc VII.
23:31:49 Critical hit! You gore Crom ben Karim for 237 points with Force Arc VII.
23:31:54 You impale Crom ben Karim for 153 points with Force Arc VII.
23:32:02 You impale Crom ben Karim for 130 points with Force Arc VII.
23:32:05 You impale Crom ben Karim for 153 points with Force Arc VII.
23:32:19 You impale Crom ben Karim for 174 points with Force Arc VII.
23:32:32 You impale Crom ben Karim for 190 points with Force Arc VII.
23:32:37 You impale Crom ben Karim for 147 points with Force Arc VII.
23:32:45 Critical hit! You gore Crom ben Karim for 219 points with Force Arc VII.
23:33:15 You impale Crom ben Karim for 147 points with Force Arc VII.
23:33:40 Crom ben Karim impales you for 160 points with Force Arc VII.
23:33:54 You impale Crom ben Karim for 181 points with Force Arc VII.
23:34:01 You impale Crom ben Karim for 180 points with Force Arc VII.
23:34:20 You impale Crom ben Karim for 192 points with Force Arc VII.
23:35:29 Critical hit! You stab Crom ben Karim for 81 points with Force Arc VII.
23:35:47 Critical hit! You impale Crom ben Karim for 175 points with Force Arc VII.
23:36:16 You impale Crom ben Karim for 142 points with Force Arc VII.
23:36:29 Critical hit! You impale Crom ben Karim for 170 points with Force Arc VII.
23:36:34 You impale Crom ben Karim for 121 points with Force Arc VII.
23:36:37 Crom ben Karim's perforated corpse falls before you!
23:36:47 [Allegiance] <Tell:IIDString:0:Waddy>Waddy<\Tell> says, "gf"
23:36:47 [Allegiance] <Tell:IIDString:0:Crom ben Karim>Crom ben Karim<\Tell> says, "arghh....gg again Cez :p"
23:37:12 Chat log pkl2.txt closed.

[Cezium]

Very nice, PK looks to be in good shape. I already resubscribed, DLing the patch as we speak. Don't know when I'll get to play unfortunately, I have finals all day tomorrow, finals Friday, then I'm in San Francisco for the weekend for my bachelor party, then next week I am doing wedding stuff all week, get married next friday, then two days later I am in Australia until June. So I might get to play a couple hours here and there, but for the first time in years I am looking forward to playing AC.
congratulations and have fun in australia

If I fight a melee with aegis soon I'll put that up for the record, I might wait until I get a maxed out wand though and not a good one(difference should only be 1/2 a %)

the character had 360+ base war so I had max imbue effects.

[Sizlunt DT]

Ya, I've always liked CS better, and that's why, more reliable DoT.

[Cezium]

I'd have to do a fair ward comparison(this was minor cold vs major pierce unfortunately) notice how CB average hits seem to be a lot higher, CS never hit over 200 noncrit. I'm not sure if the ward can fully explain that difference. shortly after the patch my friend was speculating that CS noncrits were weaker than CB noncrits regularly.

[Sizlunt DT]

If so, it is bugged, they should do the the same damage non-crit.

[Moxie]

Cez , no maxxed melees offering testing? Or running around laton atm? If ya need one ill gladly lend a toon for some comparisons.

WB to u Siz , i think you'll find it pretty balanced and challenging now. Different world we play in tho. Probably take some getting use ta in group fights and ganks eh! --but hang in there , can only help matters by bringing in ole blood!

[Cezium]

I'd have to check if anyone i could borrow is spec magic d or not. If I am pkling it is on waddy.

That's why crom was using war and not axe, ever since 115(155 now) the only xp that has been used to help pvping is about 8 points of health, 12 of war, and whatever mana c/stam/mana from raising attributes. The rest was melee d and loyalty. Horrible character to fight melees on since damage increases.

[Cezium]

I was wrong, CS is not broken in anyway, unless proven by a larger sample. You will notice though that out of 10 wars CS only crit twice.
quick 10 war sample

23:07:56 [Allegiance] Cezium says, "out of 10 wars, stats are identical"
23:08:35 [Allegiance] Cezium says, "average noncrit based on 9 wars, 189.78cs 190.89cb"
23:09:07 [Allegiance] Cezium says, "average with crits cs 205.9, cb 203.6; cb crit once, cs only twice" (10 wars, cs was given one more for it's 2nd crit)

CS
150
273!
218
171
211
179
277!
194
193
193

CB
318!
187
226
235
180
193
157
211
166
163

[Moxie]

Couple questions-

1. those are #'s with Cez or waddy throwing the wars?
2. same wands used in this test as ya used in above testing?
3. who were u testing on? Melee? if so stats? wards? aegis?

Also curious ta know what Croms template is.

Been a lot of test results tossed around but nothing that ive seen in depth with full stats shown by both participants , full weapon stats and protections.

Id be really interested in seeing what a fully maxxed , majored mage with max wand , maxxed GG tinks can do for damage against -

A. Fully maxxed melee , special magic resis. , wards , aegis
B. fully maxxed melee , nonspecial magic resis with wards ,aegis and flip-flopped on and off ta compare the differences.

[Cezium]

Couple questions-

1. those are #'s with Cez or waddy throwing the wars?
2. same wands used in this test as ya used in above testing?
3. who were u testing on? Melee? if so stats? wards? aegis?

Also curious ta know what Croms template is.

Been a lot of test results tossed around but nothing that ive seen in depth with full stats shown by both participants , full weapon stats and protections.

Id be really interested in seeing what a fully maxxed , majored mage with max wand , maxxed GG tinks can do for damage against -

A. Fully maxxed melee , special magic resis. , wards , aegis
B. fully maxxed melee , nonspecial magic resis with wards ,aegis and flip-flopped on and off ta compare the differences.
cez threw those wars, he is missing a few points of self and wasn't majored so variance wasn't as tight as possible. war is 360+ though and that matters the most.

same wands as above, no aegis, no wards.

crom's template (http://treestats.akilla.net/index.php?Name=crom+ben+karim&Server=0&Type=Char)

the differences between different templates is usually 2-3% aegis http://ac.gamebaker.com/loot/magic-absorbing.htm every extreme change is about that much up or down. crom has 21% aegis

http://files.filefront.com/waddy_vs_crom_ben_karim_1avi/;5056172;;/fileinfo.html
this should be high enough res that you can read the chatbar. crom plays from italy so he has a 500 ping

119, 173!, 141, 175!, 191!, killshot
just so no one reads this and gets confused, that was over 2 mins, only the last 3 were back to back.

[Sizlunt DT]

Just logged in for the first time in a year. Lost my villa, a 10x tinkered 430+ al suit, a major suit, various majors, 200 mmd's, 7 PDI's, and my mules are now spread all over dereth. Hehe, havin fun tho. Gotta rebuild, and that's good, because I have a goal to work towards.

[ChildoftheKoRn]

Just logged in for the first time in a year. Lost my villa, a 10x tinkered 430+ al suit, a major suit, various majors, 200 mmd's, 7 PDI's, and my mules are now spread all over dereth. Hehe, havin fun tho. Gotta rebuild, and that's good, because I have a goal to work towards.

Lol once that runs out, you'll quit again, HAR HAR.

Once you start hittin up the new dungeons it'll get funner cause you having to defend stuff and all.

[Sizlunt DT]

Lol once that runs out, you'll quit again, HAR HAR.

Once you start hittin up the new dungeons it'll get funner cause you having to defend stuff and all.


Ya, there's that, I also o.O a little bit on quests, looks like I have a bit of new stuff to go through. We'll see, current Dev team appears to have a sense of focus, and a sense of how to run the game, so my hope is that there will be things to do even after I regain my wealth.

[Moxie]

Well as i stated before id gladly let ya throw some wars my way just ta further test different set-ups. Im curious myself as testing post patch has been pretty much nill.

Your first few examples show pretty reasonable damage (CS turned in good performance with that nice 5 outta 8 and 3 outta 4) but id like ta see how much more reduction a maxxed warded , aegis melee can make. Looks like it can still be consistently curbed ta under 100 damage with 20-23% reduction???

Also testing between 18%-22/23% (aegis reduction) the 260 range as compared ta mid 290-300 range would be nice ta see. How big a difference would it make on crits? Add and subtract that in with wards , noticable difference?

Probably be as off the wall as the rest of the tests. Think Frank said it best in one of these threads- the variance between all weapons now just makes em to unpredictable. Especially war.

Well hell sure looks like equipment REALLY comes into play now. As it should i believe. Still looks like it takes a fair amount of skill too tho. A melee still has ta dodge against a good casting mage and mages sure as hell can't fall asleep!

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Hmm just reread Franks post in this thread. If thats ta be true seems pretty reasonable. To many posts with data and not enuff info. I think many are leaving out key elements , accidentally or on purpose.

Guess ya don't know for sure until ya do the work yourself. Coincidentally its good ta see many mages offering unbiased opinions backed up with good homework without screaming shark tales! Ya knew there'd be some tho eh