Pre-Order Gems

[Akuma]

There should be no change and nothing should be added. Everyone knew how effective these would be and had plenty of chances to get the pre-order. There should be no augmentation to benefit the people that didnt get the pre order. Also if you did come out with something like this everyone that purchased the pre order should get like 2 free months sub on their accounts.

[Shao Majii]

the forum rules clearly state that starting a new topic about something already posted is not acceptable unless the prior thread has fallen off the first page.

Please use the thread already dealing with this issue, if for no other reason than to keep the discussion in one place.


10. In the Asheron's Call Discussions forum, do not create a new thread on a topic if there is currently a thread on that topic on the front page of the forum.


I would assume this applies to all forums, not just the discussions forum.

[Ftuoil_Xelrash]

There should be no change and nothing should be added. Everyone knew how effective these would be and had plenty of chances to get the pre-order. There should be no augmentation to benefit the people that didnt get the pre order. Also if you did come out with something like this everyone that purchased the pre order should get like 2 free months sub on their accounts.


Agreed!

[DualityDyad]

I recently found a pre-order key. The worst part about it is I doubt they will even let me activate it anymore. The only people that don't want everyone to have it are just newbies that lose in PvP constantly so they want every edge they can get. They pull the "loyal" and "plenty of time" card over and over but the truth is they just can't hack it so they want to ruin it for other people.


Also the people that paid extra money and ingame items for keys (who broke the CoC in the first place) also STRONGLY advocate against giving everyone a shot at the gem, because they would hate to lose those 500 mmds or $20 they paid for it.

[MiraDT]

i still dont see the harm in an aug that give +7-8% health that costs like 10-15 billion exp. Massive exp plus aug gem to get, and still get less health then the preorders. However it reduces the impact of not having preordered. I preordered for most of my accounts (the ones that didnt dont even have TOD), and a year of huge advantage was more then enough for my 5 minutes spent to preorder. I didnt even pay 1 dollar more then regular price to preorder, and it took no time.

I dont see the massive work/money that people spent to get the health gem. It was all about timing and even i think the armor gem shoulda been the extra one.

[Shadow Spectre]

The harm in giving everyone this is the reason it was given in the first place. Turbine ask to get a reply to see how many people would be willing to stick with them with this new TOD expansion. There was only so many made and I would assume it was the number they needed to determine if the game would survive or not. So offering this item was something to encorage people to purchase TOD. Those who had faith in the game and company. Those who did not have faith or did not even know about it would lose out on this oportunity. The faithful were rewarded. Now that we the faithful have our reward that was no big deal when others were talking about it at the begining now see the error of their way and want to have it to, even thought they did not have the faith then or were not even aware of the game. Time to get over it people. The old timers who have seen something in AC for a very long time know why people keep coming back. The game is great and the teams working on it are good. I love everything about it. Even the Decal people who think they know what everyone needs to play the game. I accept it all and I think those without the Gems need to realize it too.

[max_evil]

Shadow Spectre,

is AC a religion to you?

you talk having faith in AC as though having faith in god.

-max

[MiraDT]

again i ask, how much did it take to preorder? 5 minutes and 0 dollars.... and you think you deserve a major pvp advantage due to this? If so then i believe you are someone that needs the advantage to get kills. You are probably also someone who cries about macros even if attended, higher level people, and people with better gear then you.

and i dont agree with Max about much but this case i seriously agree. A year with a good chunk more health is enough for spending almost nothing. You dont even want them getting a gem that gives 7% which is still 3% less then you get so you will still have more health

[justinhutchins]

This argument has already taken place about 12 times.

It has been reduced to this : The people that got it were at the right place at the right time(not due to loyalty or "faith"). If you cannot see why it is this way, please ask me to explain and i will certainly do just that.

The error remains that it was obviously not well thought out by Turbine, in that it has thrown off the balance(not talking about skill) that Turbine has spent 7 years trying to create. It is a fact that this gem alone can mean the difference between life and death(more concerned about DT) and not in an insignificant way.

My view - All these people that want gems seem to feel they need to bargain for something they should have recieved upon buying the game. I believe that all players(especially those on DT) deserve the gem without losing any of its benefits what-so-ever or being forced to spend any type of money/exp on it. Unfortunately, this is not likely to be done, so i will say that a 4 billion augmentation gem for the same +10% will suffice. If you really think that being at the right place at the right time means you deserve this gem more than others even though it greatly reduces the quailty of gameplay for those without it, then i believe the year that it has been unable to be obtained is enough.

As a side note, i would like to say that I have spoken with many of my fellow guild members(the largest guild on DT....) and i have yet to find someone(that has a gem already) that does not agree that something similar should be put in place. I thought that i would surely find many people damning the idea when i brought it up considering how many people have spoken against it in these forums but i was suprised to see that no one did and everyone was in favor of it(although there were differing opinions on how hard it should be to obtain).

Ultimately, there should be a mathematical balance(or atleast the potential for one) underlying the game that allows a player to apply his own skill to distguish himself in ability.

- This gem takes away from the underlying mathematical balance...

[DualityDyad]

An envoy told me they are creating something like the gem, but not as good.

[chief]

The gem itself was a bad idea, threw the good 'ol balance out of whack, creating forever long fights to already long fights that existed before the gems. It's one thing to give players something to work towards, like farming materials to tinker, getting a chance at something good from drops, or chancing that good item and perhaps losing it to tinkering. But it's another to simply hand people a gem with such big impact to the game.

If you want to talk about loyal customers, anybody that plays this 6-year old game right now could be considered a loyal customer. Just take a look around this game, people act like there are so many people around anymore. This gem was a bad idea to put in the game, so really how you got it doesn't matter, it's still a bad idea. But now that they are in, and they won't remove it, they'll just have to think of something to give to the rest of the population. Apparently they are already trying to think of something to give to people as an alternative.

Standard procedure that's all. This gem is a great PvE item, and only people arguing about it right now are people that are affected by it in PvP. Yeah yeah blah blah if you have skills you won't need it, bleh blah blah. That's not even the point. It's a game. People play this game to compete. And this gem throws the balance out of whack. So here's to hope the company finds a good solution to balance things out.

[Pimpinsins]

I dont see what the big deal is I mean just streak at the start of a fight and the hp gem doesnt mean anything and melees get 200+ crits now so whats a few points to them?

[Silvias_Moon]

30 hp isn't a big deal?

lolz

[Perforation]

I dont see what the big deal is I mean just streak at the start of a fight and the hp gem doesnt mean anything and melees get 200+ crits now so whats a few points to them?

um no....
his max hp is still the same so after a heal no difference unless you streak everytime he gets to max health

second of all, i played ac for 3 years from 00 to 03 and had to quit because i got my lazy ass out of my parents house and couldnt afford internet until about a year ago. few months after i got net i ran out to find a Dark Majesty cd online only to find that a new expansion had come out, of course i had to get it went to store bought it that nite

this makes me less "loyal/faithful?"


and im not for just giving everybody it, the augmentation idea is good. but ima thinker i like good content, a really hard quest, and i dont just mean bigmonsters i mean somethin to use your brain or skill to get, even if it still cost billions like an aug


so there

[justinhutchins]

As i posted before, the argurment of it being obtained due to a level of loyalty/faithfulness or knowledge of its effectiveness has been reduced to absudity because someone who had never played the game and therefore knew nothing of its effectiveness nor anything about the company could just as easily have bought the preorder. It was not limited to only those that played the game and knew about the company. Similarly, there are many players today that have been playing longer(the game had been around for a long time before the gem) than some who possess the gem but do not have it because they were not playing during that year.

As i posted before, the argument is about being at the right place at the right time and weather or not that denotes recieving an item that throws off the underlying mathematical balance of the game and entitles one to have an innate advantage(before any template is made, before any armor is aquired, before any ability or skill is gained) than anyone who does not have it and can "never" get it.

My view in a nutshell - Before templates are made and knowlede of the game obtained, there should be a mathematical balance(or the potential for one) that makes everyone equal. I do not mean that all players should have the same skill and abilities, that is based on one's own comprehension and application of successful methods of playing. This company has, for the most part, repremanded any customer who came after or was not playing/did not have enough money at the time of its incorporation and i believe that is a mistake. Pretty much all players that have the gem start out the game with +10% health. That is expierence later that they do not have to put in to it or can use on other skills or simply have more health once skills are maxed out. Because of this(and the fact that the only criteria for recieving it was being at the right place at the right time), i believe that all players should be given it, without having to use anything that would decrease the capabilities of their template(I.E. augmentations that use experience points that could be used on attributes such as health or other skills which would only take away from that character and continue the mathematical unbalance). The only acceptable solution would be to make it only able to be recieved through a quest but there is even a logical argument for why that would still be giving an advantage beyond the year that the players with gems have had it but i will not go there....unless you want me to. =P

[Perforation]

lol one hell of a nut there

and im sick of people like pim :eek: sin actin likea cb crits 200 every swing every time on low power and that a cb wand doesnt hit for 350+

[OldSchoolACPVP]

Loyalty?

If you're still playing this game, you are loyal. That's about the only crowd who DOES play this game...the loyal ones, pre-ordered or not.

[Jida]

^^^Haha, pwnt!!!^^^