View Full Version : So let's just say '08 is Clinton vs McCain
Holt Politician
10-06-2006, 01:48 AM
Who would you vote for?
I'd go for McCain, but Hilary would probably win on fame.
Zenato
10-06-2006, 01:54 AM
Hilary would probably win on fame.
Well she wouldn't win on her positions that's for sure.
Gengis
10-06-2006, 04:38 AM
I wanted McCain in 04..I'd take him in 08. I would not take Hillary though...no telling what would happen.
I want someone in there that has first-hand experience and knows the price of war on a personal level.
I voted for Gore last time...though I typically go more Republican than not. I just thought he would do less damage in 4 years, with a Republican Congress, than Bush would. I really just wanted to hold that spot for McCain.
Go McCain!
Renegade Knight
10-06-2006, 07:22 AM
I'm Canadian...although...McCain.
Thadda Al-Munik
10-06-2006, 09:55 AM
I would not trust a women to be president...Moreover, it would give feminists something to always whine about, as if they dont complain enough already.
MaddyFF
10-06-2006, 10:21 AM
I would not trust a women to be president...
I would if it was Rice, but she is probably too smart to run for the job.
Thadda Al-Munik
10-06-2006, 10:50 AM
I would if it was Rice, but she is probably too smart to run for the job.
Yea. I am jsut worried on what their true agenda would be...
I would vote for a woman for President BUT it depends on who she is. I would not vote for Hillary though.
Actually I would vote for someone else other than these 2. I don't think Hillary would make a good president and I don't like McCain's views.
Zenato
10-06-2006, 03:52 PM
Hmm.. Didn't the Democrats make a big deal about Bush not having any *real* war experience and Kerry did? I wonder how they're all of a sudden going to say that military/war experience doesn't matter anymore in a president if they push forward with Hilary against McCain.
MaddyFF
10-07-2006, 07:14 AM
Hmm.. Didn't the Democrats make a big deal about Bush not having any *real* war experience and Kerry did? I wonder how they're all of a sudden going to say that military/war experience doesn't matter anymore in a president if they push forward with Hilary against McCain.
They'll do like they are doing now with the sex scandal, it only matters for Republicans. :p
William the Bat
10-07-2006, 03:32 PM
I've never voted for a republican before, but McCain just might sway me. He's not afraid to stand on principals.
chief
10-07-2006, 03:49 PM
McCain, he's one of those politicians not afraid to go against his own party to get something done, or voice his point of view. I think the election in '08 will be very interesting, not really because who may be running it, but because most of the Americans are tired of the inhouse fighting between Democrats and Republicans. We want things worked out and make this country a better place, we are tired of who's right who's wrong or who's party is superior. Both parties' crap stink, I laugh at them all when they try to talk down the other party.
It's really time to end the corruption and stop allowing corporate america run this country, because there's so much money being made by those politicians these days that they do what will get them money, they don't do what's right anymore. And I'm not even talking about the president himself, he's just 1 person. This country is run by a complex political system, so when something didn't go right, everybody involved is wrong, not just 1 person.
The person that'll win in '08 is the person that'll stop talking about what the "other guys" are doing wrong, but instead talk about what he/she can do to make this a better place. Personally that's a big problem with Mrs. Clinton, because anytime she talks, 90% of her speeches are talking about what the other people are doing wrong, she rarely talk about what she can do to make it better.
highwaypizza
10-09-2006, 03:23 PM
Well I'm a democrat and I wouldn't vote for Hillary. I'd say the Dems would be smart to make Feingold their front runner.
Thadda Al-Munik
10-09-2006, 04:02 PM
I think the election in '08 will be very interesting, not really because who may be running it, but because most of the Americans are tired of the inhouse fighting between Democrats and Republicans. We want things worked out and make this country a better place, we are tired of who's right who's wrong or who's party is superior. Both parties' crap stink, I laugh at them all when they try to talk down the other party.
Tell all the old ladies and hick southerners that. I'm sure they'll love you. I really hate hicks, and people who vote for retarded reasons (like old ladies voting for solely bush's looks). If you ask me, only the younger generation-middle aged people before retirement should vote. It's as if most people lose their sanity after they retire.
Sledge
10-09-2006, 04:14 PM
Is there a 'none of the above' person running???????????
Thadda Al-Munik
10-09-2006, 04:23 PM
Sledge, not voting is ok, but do you truly not like any candidates? I didnt vote last election because I did not like either.
MaddyFF
10-10-2006, 05:35 AM
I've never voted for a republican before, but McCain just might sway me. He's not afraid to stand on principals.
Let me just say you haven't been following McCain too closely.
MaddyFF
10-10-2006, 05:37 AM
If you ask me, only the younger generation-middle aged people before retirement should vote. It's as if most people lose their sanity after they retire.
I could give the same opinion about the younger generation. Seems too many of them wouldn't know how to logically think if their life depended on it.
Thadda Al-Munik
10-10-2006, 10:31 AM
I could give the same opinion about the younger generation. Seems too many of them wouldn't know how to logically think if their life depended on it.
I can understand that. Usually it's the college kids (aka me) who don't know what is going on. Because they read the paper once a month must entitle them to know who is the right choice. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. I only vote for when I fully know I am voting for a real leader. This was the reason why I did not vote last election.
Sledge
10-10-2006, 11:14 AM
Sledge, not voting is ok, but do you truly not like any candidates? I didnt vote last election because I did not like either.
Thadda,
I expect to vote. The current issue is that I dislike both of the OP Candidates and have no intention of voting for either one of them.
It is a sad commentary on the state of national politics when we seem to be short of high quality leaders running for the top office of the country.
Also, no one knows where the next good leader will come from.
Over my many years of voting, I have seen so few that were really outstanding, several that were OK, and a whole bunch that have sold their soul to the special interests. And it seems like more and more are seling out.
At least we have 2 years before another national leader has to be elected. I keep hoping a good candidate will rise to the top by then.
Right now, I am hoping that whatever occurs next month, there will be enough change to get our fine servicemen and women out of Iraq and make the government that the Iraqis elected take responsibility for their own country. We did our part, now their history is up to them.
Zenato
10-10-2006, 01:21 PM
I can understand that. Usually it's the college kids (aka me) who don't know what is going on. Because they read the paper once a month must entitle them to know who is the right choice. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. I only vote for when I fully know I am voting for a real leader. This was the reason why I did not vote last election.
First off there was a poll taken back in the mid-90's which said younger to middle aged women voted for Clinton simply because of his looks, so it isn't just the hicks with the ignorant vote.
I personally don't think college students should be allowed to vote based on how brainwashed most university students get drinking the professor koolaid. They should have to live in the real world for a few years and form their own opinions independently before voting.
You shouldn't simply stay home because you don't like either candidate. You have to think about the bigger picture. This is your country and you shouldn't ever forget that. There is never going to be a candidate that is going to have the same philosphy, positions and morality as you, so are you simply never going to vote? How does this help you or your country?
Which is better a candidate that shares 60% or your core values or one that shares only 5%? Why would you risk the guy who only shares 5% in common with you being elected? Why in the world would you stay home? There is too much to lose. No matter whether you like the candidates or not you have to vote for who is going to represent you better than the other person. You'll never get a candidate that is 100% unless you are the one running.
It is better to take a bus that gets you half way home than the bus that takes you further from home. Simply not taking a bus and allowing someone else to pick the bus for you at random isn't a good approach either.
Of course this is America and you're within your right to simple not vote and I would defend your right to not vote any day of the week. However, I personally wouldn't leave things to chance.
Wild Bird
10-12-2006, 02:21 PM
First, In this country you have the Right NOT to Vote. Many countries force their citizens at gun point to vote for the one candidate who is running in the one political party that is allowed in the country. In some countries if the citizens vote the 'wrong' guy into office, some military leader will have a coup and assume office anyways or appoint the 'right' person into office. Be glad you have the right NOT to Vote. But also remember that your (non-)Vote matters and someone will get elected and be in office for 4 years. So why not try to make it the person you want to see in office?
As for the current Republicans in office? They are state-ists. (Pardon me for the incorrect spelling.) People who believe in a large central government. The last President who didn't have this view was Reagan. If McCain wins, we'll see another person without this state-ist view. That's the problem with all the major candidates, they all feel that the Federal Government has all the answers. Well guess what? It don't. And furthermore, it never will. It's the individuals in this country that make this country great. People like you who are reading this. It's not the politicians, not the billionaires, not the millionaires, not the huge corporations, but the average Joe (or Jane) that makes this country great.
Our country's economic future is directly based on how well the average Joe (or Jane) is doing. Our military might is based on how well the average Joe (or Jane) performs while in the armed services. McCain knows this. Others from either of the two main parties don't. There are others that are less known that do know this, but also some that don't.
Who will I vote for? Someone who believes in me making a difference, not somebody who is ready to doom me to Government hand-outs and poverty.
Holt Politician
10-12-2006, 06:58 PM
Who will I vote for? Someone who believes in me making a difference, not somebody who is ready to doom me to Government hand-outs and poverty.
Sounds like you don't vote for many liberals or democrats then. :D
I don't think Rudy G. will go far, if he runs. He can only live off of 9/11 for so long before people start remembering his affair and etc.
Collin Powell would be a good candidate, but haven't heard anything about his interest.
NY's governor, Pataki, has been rumored to be in the running, but outside of NY I don't think much has been heard of him.
Zenato
10-12-2006, 07:21 PM
That's the problem with all the major candidates, they all feel that the Federal Government has all the answers. Well guess what? It don't.
Its not just the major candidates that have this view. There is a very large population of the US that feels the Federal Government is their safety net and is suppose to have ALL the answers for EVERY situation imaginable even if the situation is avoidable; personal responsibility doesn't even factor into their daily lives.
The only reason politicians have these views is because they're simply trying to pacify their base.
Niobe
10-26-2006, 03:25 PM
Honestly? I think the country is still apprehensive about a woman in that office.
Daliaeod
11-15-2006, 04:08 PM
We will have a minority man become president before we have a woman president. Look at the suffrage movement post-civil war. African American men received the vote before white women did, so I am sure this will transcend throughout history.
Yula_the_Mighty
11-15-2006, 09:49 PM
I find it hard to get interested in unlikely situations. I myself seem to face the situation of which candidate is less stinky. Or wishing there was option that said - 'Lets try this again but the current candidates can not be on the ballot for the new election.'
It is very rare to have a situation like I did with Katherine Harris this time around. Where I could feel real good about voting for the other candidate.
This is from a life long Republican who is very unhappy with many Republican candidates the past decade or so. Somewhere along the line, the Republican party abandoned it core values and lost its sense of direction. Not that the current Democrats are that much better.
So I remain a Republican trying to reform my party. When that does not work, there is always a general election where I can use my conscience to vote Democrat or something else.
I would love to see Rice as a one of the candidates. IMHO - She is probably to smart to run. Plus, the Republican party leadership is too dumb to back her.
MaddyFF
11-16-2006, 05:39 AM
If McCain wins, we'll see another person without this state-ist view.
Given some of the policies McCain has pushed I highly doubt this statement.
Also, many people have figured out that voting for the right person gets them money, and politicians have caught onto this too.
Gengis
11-22-2006, 01:58 PM
If Condi runs, she'll bring in a lot of votes and could win it. There are a lot of no-names looking into the process atm, according to reports, but I think McCain is the front runner. Mitt Romney of Mass is a longer shot, but has some pull as well. He will run as the anti-McCain...whatever that is.
I'd vote McCain, Rice, and maybe lieberman, giuliani, or romney. I can't see myself voting democrat this next time though...I hate it when one party has it all.
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