Harvestgain PK Tournament

[Jscho21]

Unattended Combat Macro I wont his group, GT won his group.
GT was later declared the winner.

Here's some pics

Me and Hyst in semi final:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/MeHyst2.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/MeHyst3.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/MeHyst4.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/MeHyst5.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/MeHyst6.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/MeHyst7.jpg

My Reward
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Reward.jpg

Having some fun throwing snowballs and trying to use Staff.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Snowballs1.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Snowballs2.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Snowballs3.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Staffing.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Staffing2.jpg

GT Escaping the Frost!(this happened later than the following images)
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/D1.jpg

After GT had done a ton of damage with his phantom weapon, I pushed him into the corner
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/GT1.jpg


+Turbine Geneva Telling me to move. I moved and then took the shot of the combat before he said it.(remember this image and the damage i did before he told me to leave)
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/GT2---.jpg
Asking why he told me to move:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Lie1.jpg
Him saying we both took no damage*lying* refer to previous image (GT2---). Asking what he means by stalemate. He responds that we couldn't hit eachother. *lying*
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Lie2.jpg
+Turbine saying he doesn't need screenshots, He was right there. Telling me that using snowballs doesn't count as fighting. Nor does a Staff(WTF?). There's turbine's view on the the Staff skill. Supposively it doesn't count.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Lie3.jpg
Asking if he IDed GT or not(to see if i dealt damage). His response doesn't answer the question. He says he can see more than I think.(then why didn't he see the damage I dealt?). I point out some of the times I DID deal damage before he told me to move.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Lie4.jpg
+Turbine Geneva says that he was not false in his reasoning. His reasoning was it was a stalemate because we dealt no damage. *lying* Well I did deal damage. GT also Tugaked me twice and I resisted them.(i had no magic d rare on). I actually ran out of where i was when he casted the spell and ran back in when i thought it was safe(too early). If he had continued he would have done damage.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Lie5.jpg
Sum: GT has a magic d rare and a sword rare on. I have an Impen rare and a Melee d Rare on. I go in in throwing snowballs while GT tries to vuln me. I use staff some. GT uses Phantom weapon and almost kills me multiple times. I push GT into the corner to trap him while I heal and attemp to kill him through his magic d. GT Tugaks twice but I resist both. My impen rare drops and his magic d rare drops. I start dealing damage and draining him. +turbine Geneva tells me to move with the basis that neither of us were dealing damage. Well, GT could have dealt damage if he kept tugaking me, and I was dealing damage with arcs and drains. I move out on +Turbine Geneva's false reasoning and attack GT, but eventually die.
Funny thing is, I dealt no damage to GT and +Turbine Geneva said that i needed to start fighting or i would lose. WTF? Using staff does not count? Shooting wars(resisted) does not count? well if resisted spells don't count as dealing damage, and being evaded by staff doesn't count as damage, why did he tell me to move when GT dealt no damage to me in the corner and i hit him, yet didn't say anything when gt did me damage and I dealt none? Also, why did he lie multiple times when proof was given?


Good Fight GT, you won.
Good Fight +Turbine Geneva, you lied.

[Kid]

lol I think someone is a SORE LOSER! I saw your post on the VN saying that you'll win by default and that wasn't the case.

Congrats to Gt. Maybe I should've entered the tourny after all ;).

[Kid]

Another thing, Geneva does not know when rares drop. And it's kind of unfair to Gt to trap him in the corner because theres no way he could trap you in the corner (as he is a sword character) unless he was casting.

Geneva made the right call.

[Jscho21]

Uhm yes, i was staff the majority of the fight because he resisted all my spells. Geneva said I would lose if i didn't fight. He required me to attack and not be resisted by war spells.(that didn't count as fighting.. wtf) GT could have done the same thing to me. while i was staffing. He didn't take the opportunity.

Also, while in the corner, GT could deal damage with tugak. Saying he couldn't deal damage because of his position is false.

Geneva's reason for making me move was that neither of us dealt damage. that's all he said. nothing else. The major point of the thread is to show that i DID deal damage to GT. well i did do damage as you can see, when i pointed it out he ignored it. and denied the fact that I did damage, even after pointing out the time in the log when I did for proof.


Geneva made his decision without checking if it's basis was legit or not. He said he could "see more than you think". Obviously he didn't pay attention to that abillity, he would have seen my damage done to GT.

[Frog-TSF]

Another thing, Geneva does not know when rares drop. And it's kind of unfair to Gt to trap him in the corner because theres no way he could trap you in the corner (as he is a sword character) unless he was casting.

Geneva made the right call.
you have to be joking me, if he is dumb enough to get trapped in the corner then he deserves to pay the price. honestly how hard is it to avoid getting put in a corner?

if this is how turbine is going to run the tourneys then they are nothing but a joke.

[Endrin]

Trapping people in a corner is a perfectly legitimate tactic in my opinion.

On the otherhand, why would you attack with snow balls and a non PK-type staff? You knew you wouldn't deal any dmg that way.

I'll trust that +Geneva made the right call and will continue to do so. :cool:

[Geneva]

The reason I asked you to break and move out of the corner was because for the first 20 minutes of the finals, you threw snowballs, danced, equipped a staff (you may have swung it once or twice but you certainly were NOT trying to kill them with it) and jumped on top of Gt. This led to me giving you a warning for not actively trying to win the fight.

When you got them trapped in the corner (which is totally legit by the way and that's not the reason I asked you to move) at first you did damage them, yes. You would quickly pop out of the corner and hit them with a war, then slide back to trap them. Again a totally legit tactic. For some reason you abandoned this and started to showboat and not actively try to kill them for several minutes.

I gave you more than enough time to finish the fight because I did not want to have to interfere. But, after having already given you a warning earlier, and seeing how things were progressing in the corner (or I should say not progressing), I felt intervention was needed to ensure the fight continued.

Me asking you to move from the corner did not cause you to lose the tournament, your showboating did. You lost the fight fair and square and I will not let sour grapes attempt to cheapen Gt's victory.

[Jscho21]

On the otherhand, why would you attack with snow balls and a non PK-type staff? You knew you wouldn't deal any dmg that way.


Because I'm a VIamontian war mage and war magic is my only offensive skill. GT had a magic d rare on, so all I could do was buy time for 15 minutes before I could attack. If you had read the post you would have seen that. Can't believe I would even consider having fun in an Asheron's Call Live Event! OMG HOW DARE I!?!

[Jscho21]

The reason I asked you to break and move out of the corner was because for the first 20 minutes of the finals, you threw snowballs, danced, equipped a staff (you may have swung it once or twice but you certainly were NOT trying to kill them with it) and jumped on top of Gt. This led to me giving you a warning for not actively trying to win the fight.

False. For 10 minutes i bought time because I am a viamontian war mage. Magic is my only source of damage, and GT had what, 700 magic d with his rare? You allowed rares and therefore must accept the fact that to defeat GT i HAD to buy time. 20 minutes is also false. take a look at the timestamps. At approximately 22:51:00 We entered the dungeon. Now take a look at the screenshot of him pushed in the corner. That's at 23:05:30. That's 14.5 minutes. His rare ran out at 15 minutes. For about 30 seconds I attacked him with war spells but was resisted. If you do not count this as attempting to kill, this is my ONLY way to kill by the way, then you therefor should not have allowed rares in the tournament.

When you got them trapped in the corner (which is totally legit by the way and that's not the reason I asked you to move) at first you did damage them, yes. You would quickly pop out of the corner and hit them with a war, then slide back to trap them. Again a totally legit tactic. For some reason you abandoned this and started to showboat and not actively try to kill them for several minutes.

False. I did not pop out of the corner and hit them with a war. Twice i moved out of the corner when GT casted tugak, i moved in attempt to not get hit. I still was hit,though, but resisted them. for several minutes you say? Well lets take a look at the images again. at 23:05:30 I got GT in the corner. His rare dropped at 23:06:00. You told me to move at 23:06:58. Just look at the image. That's 58 seconds that you gave me to attempt to kill a maxed out Magic d spec 100 endur majored tank. Several minutes? there were only 58 seconds of time that i could have killed him. Nice lie *AGAIN* Geneva.

I gave you more than enough time to finish the fight because I did not want to have to interfere. But, after having already given you a warning earlier, and seeing how things were progressing in the corner (or I should say not progressing), I felt intervention was needed to ensure the fight continued.
No Geneva, I need 15 minutes before I could even begin to fight. You saw I was a mage. You saw I was a viamont, well actually you probably didn't even both to look to see what GT and I were. I had no staff still. I had no thrown weapons skill. I had war magic. GT had a magic d rare on, what did you expect? you did not accept me casting wars and being resisted as fighting, when WHAT would you have done? The only thing I could have done is bought time and used war magic when his rare finally went.



DO you see this turbine? Do you see your member straight out lying about the times WITH PROOF RIGHT THERE? You really want this person running your events when he fails to even get his time straight?

[Jscho21]

Oh yes and Geneva, any reason to never responded about the issue where you lied to me and said I dealt no damage, even after I told you the timestamps of damage as well as the damage messages? Want to address that some?

[Midgar]

Umm Geneva isn't going to remember the amount of minutes you threw snowballs, ran around, or actually attacked your opponent seriousely. He's not a computer and will therefore estimate the time. You lost fair and square just like he said. If you wanted to waste enough time for his rare to drop then at least war at him, shield, repeat for 15 minutes instead of messing around and wasting Geneva's time. At least then it would've seemed like you were making some kind of effort at killing him. You knew well the tournament had rares in it. You should've brought a life or war rare then.

[Jscho21]

Midgar, I did do that. I had 22 snowballs on me and I had 12 on me after the event. Seriously that took up what, 30 seconds of time. I Healed for a while, attempted to land some, tried to staff when he didn't accept that as fighting, chugged potions, and then pushed him into the corner.


You guys don't see the main point. His action of making me move the corner was because he said that neither of us dealt damage. You can clearly see I was and Geneva was not even paying attention. If he was. he'd of seen GT using heal kits. He would have seen me dealing damage. He clearly wasn't paying much attention, and by him not even able to give a CLOSE time frame, I bet he wasn't even paying attention the rest of the time.

[Midgar]

The fact of the mater is you used snowballs and a staff, neither of which would ever kill your opponent. Geneva made the right call.

[Geneva]

You can argue until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't change the fact that Gt won the fight fair and square.

I'm closing this thread.