So ......

[Lancelore]

...... any serious business to discuss?

[bjorny]

That all depends what you consider serious. Here are some of the items that in theory could be posted here:

- Public Quest Announcments
- Auctions
- ISO/Looking for lists
- Discussion over moving all service bots (buff, portal, tinker) to MP (coming from an operator of some of them)
- Discussion of going rates for MFKs, etc.

It all depends what we want out of this.... and how many people are actually going to look at these boards.

[Lancelore]

Good points Bjorny !!!

May I start to give some comments?

1. Public quests:

In the past there were a few quest leaders holding public quests and they announced them on several boards. Too many times the quests turned out as a kind of fiasco, due players not holding themselves to the rules of the quest leader.
In our clan we run many quests and we are not depending of other clans to hold them. However everyone is welcome to join, we don´t exclude other clan members. But to make them public in the way you mean, is a different story. The chance to attract players who hold their own quest in the quest is i.m.o. too big.

2. Auctions:

A good idea, but keep in mind those auctions have to offer real good stuff. It has not much use to come with general majors or that kind of stuff. General equipment is often given away among clan members, but this board can be used to announce such auctions.

3. ISO lists:

Also a good idea and again this board can be used for that purpose.

4. Moving bots:

Moving all kind of bots to a central place has not my full support. Certainly not the marketplace. As you know this place is often used for PK-lite fights. Nothing against PK-lite fights, but it is distracting and does not encourage the majority of our player base to go there.
The way we do it now is a good alternative. We have buff bots and portal bots in Holtburg and Yaraq ( Thx for providing them !!). Adding some tinker bots might be an option.
Speaking for myself, I hesitate to bring my buff bot to a public place. The fear for "jokes" with the bots is too big. But maybe others can share their experience about this subject.

5. MFK's:

Rates for special stuff is a difficult subject. With so many money / points around, players can afford to buy everything at any price. But to give some average rates, can't hurt.

[Lace-Djinn]

Good points Bjorny !!!

May I start to give some comments?

1. Public quests:

In the past there were a few quest leaders holding public quests and they announced them on several boards. Too many times the quests turned out as a kind of fiasco, due players not holding themselves to the rules of the quest leader.
In our clan we run many quests and we are not depending of other clans to hold them. However everyone is welcome to join, we don´t exclude other clan members. But to make them public in the way you mean, is a different story. The chance to attract players who hold their own quest in the quest is i.m.o. too big.

2. Auctions:

A good idea, but keep in mind those auctions have to offer real good stuff. It has not much use to come with general majors or that kind of stuff. General equipment is often given away among clan members, but this board can be used to announce such auctions.

3. ISO lists:

Also a good idea and again this board can be used for that purpose.

4. Moving bots:

Moving all kind of bots to a central place has not my full support. Certainly not the marketplace. As you know this place is often used for PK-lite fights. Nothing against PK-lite fights, but it is distracting and does not encourage the majority of our player base to go there.
The way we do it now is a good alternative. We have buff bots and portal bots in Holtburg and Yaraq ( Thx for providing them !!). Adding some tinker bots might be an option.
Speaking for myself, I hesitate to bring my buff bot to a public place. The fear for "jokes" with the bots is too big. But maybe others can share their experience about this subject.

5. MFK's:

Rates for special stuff is a difficult subject. With so many money / points around, players can afford to buy everything at any price. But to give some average rates, can't hurt.

MFK's are worth nothing now.

Keep the bots exactly where they are right now. :)

[bjorny]

As I said in my original post these were just possible topics of discussion and use of this board. I have included a few additional comments in red.


1. Public quests:

In the past there were a few quest leaders holding public quests and they announced them on several boards. Too many times the quests turned out as a kind of fiasco, due players not holding themselves to the rules of the quest leader.
In our clan we run many quests and we are not depending of other clans to hold them. However everyone is welcome to join, we don´t exclude other clan members. But to make them public in the way you mean, is a different story. The chance to attract players who hold their own quest in the quest is i.m.o. too big.

I have not led a public quest since I returned to the game approximately a year ago (mainly due to personal reasons and being out of form at leading quests). However, not every clan has the player base of the Knights and can successfully complete all the desired quests, and therefore must rely on public quests.

2. Auctions:

A good idea, but keep in mind those auctions have to offer real good stuff. It has not much use to come with general majors or that kind of stuff. General equipment is often given away among clan members, but this board can be used to announce such auctions.

Agree in principle. However prior to any auction being successful on these boards, the number of board users will significantly need to increase.
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4. Moving bots:

Moving all kind of bots to a central place has not my full support. Certainly not the marketplace. As you know this place is often used for PK-lite fights. Nothing against PK-lite fights, but it is distracting and does not encourage the majority of our player base to go there.
The way we do it now is a good alternative. We have buff bots and portal bots in Holtburg and Yaraq ( Thx for providing them !!). Adding some tinker bots might be an option.
Speaking for myself, I hesitate to bring my buff bot to a public place. The fear for "jokes" with the bots is too big. But maybe others can share their experience about this subject.

I am not saying I am completely for or against this one. However, there would be some advantages to a central location, including bringing more people on the server together in one location to give a fuller server feel (as was prominent in years past). Some additional aspects of it are:
- Marketplace - compared to other locations, this is the only location that is immediately assessable to every play ill regardless of experience or level.
- pkl - I seldom see them in the trade bot room (they usually show at least that much respect for fellow players). If the other bots were placed in a different side room, I suspect they would show the same courtesy.
- Buff Bots - I am not suggesting ever mansion buff bot be moved there, but if 3 to 5 were located there and augmented with mansion bots it would be enough for the location to become a hub.
- Portal Bots - Currently there is a large number of duplicate portal on the two bots, by co-locating them additional portal locations could be provided. The draw back to this is the loss of redundancy.
- "Jokes" - I have never had an issue with any of the bots I have operated.

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Again, these are just possible points of discussion for this board. The one advantage this board will have over other boards is it should stay AC orientated and not end up having 90% off-topic posts like some other AC boards.

[Gyes]

1. Public quests:

In the past there were a few quest leaders holding public quests and they announced them on several boards. Too many times the quests turned out as a kind of fiasco, due players not holding themselves to the rules of the quest leader.
In our clan we run many quests and we are not depending of other clans to hold them. However everyone is welcome to join, we don´t exclude other clan members. But to make them public in the way you mean, is a different story. The chance to attract players who hold their own quest in the quest is i.m.o. too big.



That's all fine and dandy, but I intend to use this board to announce my public quests in addition to the VN boards.

[Liaya]

I would have to say that the majority of public quests I have been on in SC have been completed successfully with little to no discord. I have been on many public quests run by Gyes, Laris, Ankin, Tao and several others.

Sure, there's always the chance something will go wrong and there's always the goofball that gets dispelled and can't buff himself, or runs ahead and dies taking half the fellow with him, or whatever. Despite these occasional happenings, they rarely destroy the entire quest for others - although do make more work for the quest leader(s).

No one makes you lead a public quest. If you'd prefer to announce only in your clan and gather in some strays that happen to be online at the time, fine. But I fully support those folks that announce quests on the boards and are willing to run them publicly for all.

[belzoo]

Whenever I run quests, its usually a spur of the moment kind of thing, and being in a clan with so few people in it, theres no sense in discriminating. Back when quests were run on a schedule, there was no discrimination, and that shouldnt change just because different people are running them.

[Lancelore]

Thank you guys for willing to lead public quests. Maybe I am too much used to the "safe" environment of our own clan. However the few times I went on a public quest, it was not great. But maybe I was at the wrong time and the wrong place .........

Lets hope our clan members will join the public quests and I will encourage to do so. The atmosphere between the different clans is good en respectful and public quests can improve relations.

So this is not a matter of being against public quests, its more a matter of being (too) careful.

[tonaple]

i think the difference between the quests i run and the quests that probably happen in your clan lance is when someone dies i will not hold up the group to wait for them unless they can easily get back... mainly if people do not listen or do something stupid i will not wait for them if it is a fairly easier quest and they died by accident then i ussually will help them get back...for the most part i ussually only quest within clan unless it is a quest which requires large groups like prodigal shadow then i will announce it in /cg i used to lead alot of quests but have not been latly as it becomes more of a hassle waiting on people who are getting ready especially when it involves a quest that normally i can do with 1-2 people in 30 mins instead i find it ends up taking alot longer with the more u have and more hassle but i think the majority of the quests i have run go pretty smooth

[Gabs]

And so it goes..

I will run the odd public quest but as Lance and Ton have said, they are able to run quests for clan only or with invited *friends* as we they the numbers available for that. I am the same way in that I have the luxury of having enough people in volume to complete a quest, or likewise, have enough competent people that go so we can complete pretty much any quest (and yes dont flame, I know I am not competent).

We on SC all know there are personality conflicts between people. It is no different than most *families* or large groups of people. One of my reasons for not running public quests much anymore, is because of such personality issues. I dont want to subject others that want a smooth quest experience, to have to put up with the bs that goes along with such conflicts.

We all pay to play the AC. Some play more than others and to others this is more of a lifestyle than an escape from real life. I do my best to keep my personal feelings towards some of the other SC players out of /cg but I personally have never stopped a quest because someone in particular has joined it. However, that is the perogative of the quest leader.

I know Laris, Gyes, Tao and Ton do regularily run public quests, and for that I am grateful as it is sometimes one less quest that has to be offered up in clan. We advertise when public quests are being run in /a as a lot of my clan no longer reads /cg because of some of the aforementioned stupidity. They just want to relax and get away from life, not read the childish behaviour.

Public quest leaders, or anyone leading a quest, will have their own style of lead, and anyone going on public quests should take that into consideration when joining the quest. The one thing that would probably make it easier for those that go on the public quests, is to remember that everyone does things differently. Respect the requests of the leader and all is well. If you lead the quest, if you know it by heart, you need to remember you are not the one leading at that moment and adding unwanted information at certain times, only leads to confusion as the quest leader will no doubt have to explain what you have said as it has confused others.

With regards to the other parts of Lance's post,,,

Buff bots: I applaud those that run them and I see no need to change that. Most clans, my own included will always have buff bots at their mansion. I will be the selfish one on this matter as I have no intention of making my bots public, but again, my money, my time, my comps etc.

Auctions: as was mentioned, not enough people look outside of game for these. /ct was brought about for a reason. Having said that, it is the sellers perogative as to where they want to sell an item.

ISO/PC: In search of items and Price checks, I believe are easily handled in game. The price of most things can change on a whim. This reverts back to my earlier comment of, sellers perogative, if they want more than someone wants to pay, either lower price or buck up. Alot of you seem to forget that not everyone has the bankroll in game that most people that have been playing for a long time have. I know many in my clan alone, that have returned after months or years away. They are not in a position to pay some of the outrageous prcies people look for on some items when they first come back. Sure it is easy to make/get money in game, but supply and demand. As was also noted, for level 150+ MFK are worthless, you get better loot amongst other things that buying Mana Forge keys, but that is just my opinion.

Look forward to more discussions on these boards. Hopefully they will remain positive

[Laris Bloodsong]

im just gonna keep o ndoing what i have been doing for the past 9 years :)

[Kiande]

I love Laris. Just sayin'.

[Sakkie]

Thank you Laris for all the public quests. I love public quests. It's nice to see many many people come out and have fun.

I have to say that I have very rarely been on a quest that turns out as Lancelore describes. Most are well run, orderly, and fun.

Sakk

[Lancelore]

i think the difference between the quests i run and the quests that probably happen in your clan lance is when someone dies i will not hold up the group to wait for them unless they can easily get back... mainly if people do not listen or do something stupid i will not wait for them if it is a fairly easier quest and they died by accident then i ussually will help them get back...for the most part i ussually only quest within clan unless it is a quest which requires large groups like prodigal shadow then i will announce it in /cg i used to lead alot of quests but have not been latly as it becomes more of a hassle waiting on people who are getting ready especially when it involves a quest that normally i can do with 1-2 people in 30 mins instead i find it ends up taking alot longer with the more u have and more hassle but i think the majority of the quests i have run go pretty smooth

You describe the difference pretty well Ton, anyway the way we do it in our clan. For me and other clan members is is "holy" to bring everyone to the end, even if this means we have to start over. In cases where this is not possible we make sure the bodies will be recovered. It also can happen that we wait for players being late or crash during game (till a certain level of course). Further more most of us don't like to "run through" a quest. Even on Bone Crunch we will fight our way down and try to stay together as a group.
Our members are used to this kind of lead, but I realize each quest leader has his/her own style. Not better, not worse, but different. Maybe it is the best for each player to look for a quest leader who fits his taste .... meaning i.e. going to fast will be disliked by some players, going to slow by others.

As other posters wrote, we have to show respect for the way a quest is lead, even if you are a quest leader yourself or know the quest better then the quest leader himself.

[Taomagicdragon_SC]

I'll keep doing public quests too, I enjoy them and love the varied people that come and the at least veiled respect people give eachother on them.

[Being_Punishedd]

im just gonna keep o ndoing what i have been doing for the past 9 years :)

Whats that Laris? Typos? hehe:rolleyes:

[TheWizardMoriah]

Doh!

I was always under the impression that Laris was trying to make babies.
... or at least practicing very very hard :o

:)

[Sakkie]

Why do you guys continue to berate poor arLis Boldsnog for her spelling?

eye person ally ce not hing ron gwif it.

[Laris Bloodsong]

pffffft!



apparently one word does not a post make !

[Lateknighter]

Laris needs to start the Aerelinthe calendar back up :)

The VN boards have been dead for several years now, unfortunetely. These boards finally give me reason to stop visiting VN each day in hopes of a revival.

[Lancelore]

This board is a very good alternative for the VN-Solclaim board, anyway imo. I did not visit the VN-boards a lot, just because of the "nonsense" on it so it is not up to me to make a good judgment, but what I have seen might be enough. May I hope the nonsense will stay there and not blow over to here. Please lets try to be a bit serious about the topics here.

I don't mean to stand up for Laris, she can take care very well for herself, but although meant as small jokes, 3- 4 post about typo's is not very informative ........

[Sakkie]

Into each life a little levity must fall. As long as each topic is not a link to utube, or the posts don't descend to personal attacks, there is nothing wrong with a few good-natured posts.

:)

[Lancelore]

Completely agree Sakkie, there must be time and space for humor and I don't read the posts above in a wrong way, but I hope (and have good faith) this will not the majority of the info we like to share ....... that is all.