Players Responsibility

[Lancelore]

It might be a touchy subject and I realize that the subject(s) in this article can reflect on the rest of our clan or even server. Thats why I have presented the article first to our clan (a selected group) first before bringing it to this board. Now that we agree about the content, I am rather sure it will not hurt our clan or will steer up heavy discussions inside our clan.

So I like to bring a subject under your attention, a subject often waved away or neglected and I call it: "Players Responsibility"

Don't worry it probably sounds heavier then it really is, but we as players do have responsibilities. The game is not a private living room, no, it is a public domain. Be aware that all we say or do in game or on the boards, will touch others. Just as in Real Life we can't do or say everything, there are boundaries.
Often players think or feel that it is all Turbine's responsibility to make the game as much as fun as can be. Partly this is true, they create, manage and police the game, but they don't have a grip on players behavior. And this factor is even more important then the part Turbine is dealing with.

We as players have a joint responsibility for the fun of others. The basic is normal, decent attitude. But it can go a few steps further. One of this steps is to invest in other players. What do I mean? Simple, give others some attention, invite them for an event/quest, encourage their efforts and praise their results and for some who are up to it, be a good patron. You will be amazed how much those small investments pay back. Most players are very thankful for advice, a helping hand and the feeling to belong to the group. Believe me, nothing is more killing then feeling alone. Remember, the new kid on the block can be your best friend tomorrow.
Does this exclude solo play? No of course not. Our "Lone Wolfs" like to feel independent and may expect to be respected for their play style.

And what will be the result of this all? A better game, more fun, more to do and with more players? Yes I think so.

Presume those elements are important to improve the game. Then why do we see other behavior in game or on the boards? No easy answers here. We probably need a shrink to explain some of the real abnormal behavior. So please lets not try to play mind doctor, but a few things can be explained by normal "Hill Billy" logic. To name some ..... we have competition, being the best, having the best gear and gaining fast experience. We also have cries for attention (negative attention is also attention) and bad communication skills. Especially the first types of behavior are around us all the time and they can influence "normal" behavior. Keep in mind they are part of the game and can be fun. However if the focus is out of balance and players do "everything" to accomplish their targets, you can wait for conflicts or arguments with other players.

As history learns, it is hard to change the mind setting of people. You might succeed if you can direct them to another insight, but this is time consuming. Not something we do in game, because we want to play and have fun. Enforcement is the last resort and probably make people walk away, but is necessary sometimes. Is it all that bad? ... no, we have a good community, but details can be improved.

To resume, we as players can make the game a better place to be by trying to be a better player for our fellow gamers. With other words: "Take up your responsibility."

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Please shoot .......

[Lace-Djinn]

There was a point in time long ago where I believed and would follow this kind of thing. After the Past Year my opinion of this server has gone straight downhill. I pretty much stick to just my allegiance and a few people outside of allegiance other then that I have not one good thing to say about the server.(A server I have played for years)

The amount of rude comments from others has skewed my opinion so far its not coming back.

Some things have actually hit people on a personal level that they have wanted to quit.

I almost quit because I got tired of the garbage talk on this server.

I'm not saying i'm perfect. I'm not saying I never said or say anything, but some people just never learn to let some things go.

I will not say any names.

[Liaya]

Wow. My experience is really different on SC, which I've found to be a pleasant place with good people for the most part. Sure there's some annoying people - but that's what squelch is for.

Maybe I just happen to log in during the "good people" times :).

[Gyes]

My squelch list is nice and full, so I don't have to deal with that kind of nonsense. I'd suggest you do the same - it'll make your time much happier.

[Lace-Djinn]

I don't squelch people so that when someone in clan is having an issue I can see everything that is said in /cg.

[tonaple]

the behavior of people is something i think best be left up to the idividual... i like to think with the exception of a few small conflicts i have no problem with anyone on solclaim.. that being said i think no one has a right to dictate how another person should enjoy this game whether it be looking for attention or being a downright ass to others...to that extent we all have the ability to avoid these people if we wish to with squleches and turning off /cg this is not darktide so no matter where you are or what you are doing another player can only have a limited effect on your own play time if u wish them not to.... i think for the majority of people on solclaim we all get along there will always be some people who will not like each other and will make it known to everyone else...


lace makes me want to quit all the time

[Lace-Djinn]

the behavior of people is something i think best be left up to the idividual... i like to think with the exception of a few small conflicts i have no problem with anyone on solclaim.. that being said i think no one has a right to dictate how another person should enjoy this game whether it be looking for attention or being a downright ass to others...to that extent we all have the ability to avoid these people if we wish to with squleches and turning off /cg this is not darktide so no matter where you are or what you are doing another player can only have a limited effect on your own play time if u wish them not to.... i think for the majority of people on solclaim we all get along there will always be some people who will not like each other and will make it known to everyone else...


lace makes me want to quit all the time


Rofl. I think I keep you subbed sometimes. :D

[Gabs]

Rofl. I think I keep you subbed sometimes. :D

I concur

[Sho Is Sassy]

Great post Lance and I must say that most folks on our server are awesome.

Thank you all for helping it stay that way!

[Sakkie]

I agree that the awesome people far outweigh the FEW who are not.

Squelching is your friend. So is the occasional turning off of /cg. Turbine gave us these tools to enhance the gaming experience.

Great post Lancelore.

Sakk

[Lace-Djinn]

As long as certain people are still playing on the server I have very little respect for the server.

Not saying everyone is bad but this is the only way I can put it without calling out names.

The people who I have issues with know who they are.

[Kiande]

He's referring to me, by the way.

Lace is the almighty hero on our server, and everyone should succumb to his will.

[Lancelore]

Please guys, keep personal attacks to yourself. If you do so, people will walk away from this board. RESPONSIBILITY !!!!!!!

[TheWizardMoriah]

Hi Guys :)

Lots of good points made by Lancelore in the thread opener above.
Peer pressure can and will give results, so we just need to make sure that we all nudge it in the right way.
I do disagree about the "public domain" part above though.
Turbine is a private company and abiding by the rules that they (as a company) set out from the start is not debatable when they call out breaches by individual players.
So I see this issue needing a bi-partisan approach to keep it in check, from both the company and the main thrust of the community.

Just my 2p,
:)
Moriah.

[Shadow_Z_II]

Indeed lance!
lets keep this forum on topic, there is already a solclaim drama board available on the VNboards.

n Lace enough with the negativety already, i dont know or care who you have conflicts with but to blame the whole server is just silly, most the community can do is keep thiefs and such outside of clan's and public quests.

PS: Kiande has been a troll for aslong as i remember seeing the name, its not to bash him, all i want to say is : DANGER: DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

[Kiande]

PS: Kiande has been a troll for aslong as i remember seeing the name, its not to bash him, all i want to say is : DANGER: DO NOT FEED THE TROLL


Not even close. Besides, even trolls gotta eat, sir.

[Lancelore]

There was a point in time long ago where I believed and would follow this kind of thing. After the Past Year my opinion of this server has gone straight downhill. I pretty much stick to just my allegiance and a few people outside of allegiance other then that I have not one good thing to say about the server.(A server I have played for years)

The amount of rude comments from others has skewed my opinion so far its not coming back.

Some things have actually hit people on a personal level that they have wanted to quit.

I almost quit because I got tired of the garbage talk on this server.

I'm not saying i'm perfect. I'm not saying I never said or say anything, but some people just never learn to let some things go.

I will not say any names.

Sorry to hear about your disappointment Lace. This can happen when you had some personal conflicts or have seen friends walk away due fights or personal attacks.
However you said you like to stick your clannies and some people outside your clan. I presume those are good and friendly people.
As far as my observations go, most people on Solclaim are good men/women. Like other posters said above, they like our community in general and I step into this line.

Lace don't let it get under your skin and hold tight to the people you like and who are good fellow players. Believe me, most players are good people. You do hurt them by accusing the whole server for the bad experiences you had. The majority is no part of your conflict, so please don't judge the community.

[Lancelore]

the behavior of people is something i think best be left up to the idividual... i like to think with the exception of a few small conflicts i have no problem with anyone on Solclaim.. that being said i think no one has a right to dictate how another person should enjoy this game whether it be looking for attention or being a downright ass to others...to that extent we all have the ability to avoid these people if we wish to with squelches and turning off /cg this is not darktide so no matter where you are or what you are doing another player can only have a limited effect on your own play time if u wish them not to.... i think for the majority of people on solclaim we all get along there will always be some people who will not like each other and will make it known to everyone else...

Ton, I agree for the most part, except the line I marked bold in your post. Indeed every player has the right to decide how to play the game and no one should be able to dictate another how to play ....... but ...... if a fellow player goes "out of line" we as community has the right to react on this bad behavior. Some will squelch, others will turn off /cg and some do both. Even the word filter may be in place. Luckily we have those tools, but is this the real solution? Should a "normal" player being forced to use these tools to avoid irritation?
Let me turn it around. Should we be forced to do this because some people can't behave and dictate by their behavior how WE should behave?
In RL we punish people who go out of line and we stand up for our rights. We don't hide all the time and shut everything out by closing doors and windows. No we trust on our community to deal with it.

[Liaya]

Let me turn it around. Should we be forced to do this because some people can't behave and dictate by their behavior how WE should behave?
In RL we punish people who go out of line and we stand up for our rights. We don't hide all the time and shut everything out by closing doors and windows. No we trust on our community to deal with it.

Actually... "shunning" is a time-honored "punishment" in many societies/communities when dealing with individuals that do not "behave" as the majority (or even minority) would accept. I consider squelching as a means of shunning said individuals.

Edit: Additionally... there's some rare entertainment to be found when an individual can't seem to string together a 4 word sentence without 3 of those words being cuss words because they got mandangled due to their own stupidity. At any rate.. when I've heard enough, off goes /cg as well. It's my decision.

[Kaytee]

In my experience in games or even a work environment, the leader sets the tone for how things are done.

I agree that bringing things to the boards is no solution, however pretending they dont exist is not healthy. Its very easy to make long drawn out posts on how things should be. I wonder Lance, if you were being honest with yourself, do you follow that advice.

[Lancelore]

A simple "yes" is the only right answer here Kaytee.

[Kaytee]

Interesting Lance, may we all hope to achieve the perfection that is your alliance. This kind of reminds me of politics. So many in washington never see the actual day to day issues that the average person or in this case player has. So in their eyes those problems don't exist. Remarkably myopic of them isn't it? This is the case of all leaders Lance, there is no such thing as perfection. There is no such thing a problem free community of people. If you don't know of the issues that are within your alliance, you either have closed yourself so that people do not feel they can't come to you or you just don't care.

Like I said, a leader sets the tone for a group. I don't mean that you screaming matches on forums or in allegiance chat is the answer, but ignoring them and hoping they will go away isnt either.

[Lace-Djinn]

Over the last 10 days I have had /cg turned on for all of about 10 minuts. Any other place time I have had everything squelched. Its been awesome. the only things I haven't squelched is /a and /soc. Few time have I had private tells unscheduled.


P.S. Want a gummy bear Kiande?

[Lancelore]

Interesting Lance, may we all hope to achieve the perfection that is your alliance. This kind of reminds me of politics. So many in washington never see the actual day to day issues that the average person or in this case player has. So in their eyes those problems don't exist. Remarkably myopic of them isn't it? This is the case of all leaders Lance, there is no such thing as perfection. There is no such thing a problem free community of people. If you don't know of the issues that are within your alliance, you either have closed yourself so that people do not feel they can't come to you or you just don't care.

Like I said, a leader sets the tone for a group. I don't mean that you screaming matches on forums or in allegiance chat is the answer, but ignoring them and hoping they will go away isnt either.

Kaytee,

You do it in a neat way, but you are accusing me of being a blind idealist, but no problem. Let me say this:

Our server is not perfect, neither our guild or clan members, neither am I. Of course not. I am fully aware whats going on in the clan, but this does not mean I know everything. Sometimes players prefer to settle an argument between themselves, instead of calling on the monarch. Thats fine, even better then when a 3th party has to deal with it.

You assume certain things, please don't. As long as you don't know our clan or me, don't give judge/statements about us. Don't think the general picture is always in place. Sometimes things goes a bit better, sometimes a bit worse then average.

Conclusion: there is nothing wrong to try to do things just a little bit better. Thats what the initial post is about.

[Kaytee]

My comments were more of a general statement than your specific clan. The reason I said anything to you was come off as a bit pious in your original post.

When I said that the leader of any group of people sets the tone, I meant it. Being in the workforce and playing more than one MMORPG over the years has taught me that much.

In any group of people you have different types. Some people will give unconditionally and help others because they enjoy doing that. Some people will take whatever they can get and if they don't get what they want they will hop jobs/guilds until they find it. Probably the largest percent of people will do what is expected of them. If standards are set by the leader that does not permit for things like greedy, hateful, thieves and other misdeeds.

You can make these type of posts all day and I doubt it changes anyone. People change because they either want to, or they are forced to. Not because some unknown person tells them they should.

So in that way Lance, you are idealistic. Thats not a bad thing, I fear though your bound to be disappointed though.

[Decius]

People play SC?