Allowing character transfers from white worlds to DT.

[Rott_Weiler]

I posted most of this in a thread on the general board and then figured I'd just throw it up here after it got longer then planned.

upsides-

1)eliminates the want/need for a new red server. anyone who has a high level on any server and wants to play DT could.

2)eliminates calls for xp levers,etc as a means for new DTers to compete. like it or not the removal of chains and UCM(to a degree) have made it impossible for anyone to start there and ever compete on the top levels.

downside-

1)long time DTers dislike it. but really think about it for a minute. a new red server would kill DT to a large extent how does that help DT? it doesn't. I'm not going to dig up the quote but a Dev said after VT the next new server would more then likely be red, or maybe pink. though the 2nd part is a guess by me. so would yas rather have DT stay how it is for another 6-12 months then die when a new red server opens?

potential problems/things to consider-

1)duplicate names-just add 2 letters to the end of a name to show which server it came from. example- so "Joe Blow" from FF would on DT be "Joe Blow FF". this would also solve the problem of people who want to transfer a toon to DT and also already have a toon native to DT of the same name. plus people with native high level DT toons would like this because the carebear imports would show it in their names.

2)items-my feeling would be to only allow attuned/bonded quest items to come along with characters(if possible), if not then make sure to reset the characters quest flags/timers. also focis and some basic comps should be in your pack when you first arrive, say 1000 prizatic tapers and ten of each scarab. and maybe a M note so ya can at least get some store bought plate or chainmail.

3)limits/costs of transfers-it would have to be limited. I'd suggest either make it limited to one transfer per account per month. or once the new billing system is in place maybe a small fee, say 1-3 dollars per transfer.

4)I'd let the original toon stay as is on it's home server and create a copy on DT instead of transfering it outright. this is just my feeling mainly because I only have 1 account with 2 mains on 1 server and would like to be able to still play in carebear land once in awhile.

long time DTers should be salivating at the idea of a bunch of carebears coming to DT to be eaten alive by the pros. prove to em who the real PvPers are and all that.

thx for reading. discuss,dismiss,flame,lyao,etc.


**(optional reading)** I've been playing AC since retail. started splitting my time between LC n DT, moved to LC totally about 2-3 months in,moved to SC when it started, then WE, came back to DT about a month ago full time after becoming completely bored with white life. I basically just go back to pay the rent on my villa there now though I'm sure I'll go there abit to check out content in peace on patch days. my mains there are a 130 something melee and a 160 something mage. my melee was self leveled(alot of it before AL) and my mage was mainly chained and macrod(before CoC change). on DT in a month I've got a 50+ melee and a 40+ mage, they both have all their spells up to V's and some VI's n VII's, hunted my own shadow armor, got olthoi armor, and got a cottage. all without any help or joining an allegience. 95% of the time I say nothing when killed, still let something slip out once in awhile when I run into a real lamer. :p

this was mainly for anyone questioning my credentials as a valid opinion.

If I could transfer my mains from WE to DT I'd sell my villa and items there for plats/sharded gsc on DT and never look back.

[Care Police]

There's nothing good about letting this happen. It's not fair when some o.0 can hunt with no worries on a white server than transfer over, NOT FAIR. This idea is so moronic when people suggest it; there are no upsides whatsoever. This would just allow o.0's to come over being whatever level they are, and leaving only the hard work to the people who played on DT to hunt/level.

I'm not salivating at anything. o.0 126+'s coming in and not working hard at all to get where they are. Leave o.0's to play pansy v pansy. (pink).

[Rott_Weiler]

well do you have a better idea for how to improve DT?

if not, you and others who feel the same I hope keep your mouths shut and don't complain as DT continues to loose current players and attract very few new ones. then when a new red server opens they might as well pull the plug on DT.

*this was in response to reply one*

[Ethan Hunt'_DT]

I only play on DT and i think if people from white servers want to try to hang here then let them try it out. I don't see anything wrong with bringing more people on DT even more so if they are going to fight.

[Ethan Hunt'_DT]

If you play the game for years levels don't mean much. Its not hard to get xp on DT as much as people like to think.

[xijin]

How about.. No

if the O.os want to play on DT let them level up the hard way like every one of DT. (spare me the UCM comments because O.o UCM more than DT did)

Its bad enough that carebears get 99% of the content every month we dont need turbine doing massive amounts of coding to allow this. Thus taking away from fixing the current issues.

[Silver]

Bringing carebears in would definitely NOT improve DT, it'll make it a lot worse if anything

And don't expect CAREBEARS to come to DT and actually fight, more like running from every single red dot they see and/or whinning endlessly about being looted

Plus, we already have enough carebears in DT as it is

[xijin]

ethan if DT wasnt that hard to get XP on then the O.os would already be there.

Rerolling a character when you got friends or other characters is very easy starting with nothing but the training hall stuff is hard.

VERY rarely will n00bs on dt get handouts unless someone is feeling generous.

As opposed to this as i am it would be extremely funny to see all the O.os who think they are good at PK try the real thing. I could dress up my mules with all the 15k major suits they would drop.

[Care Police]

I never said it was hard to get XP on DT. It's relatively easy. But, why allow carebears to just "drop on in" when they feel like it?

My solution is make a new server. There, happy? It's not like I'd go to it but it'd atleast get all the moaners away. If this was actually implemented..which I hope it never is..I'd leave DT, get to 126 in 1 month on o.0. Come back to DT. Where's the fairness in that?

AND FFS it's LOSE NOT LOOSE.

[Rott_Weiler]

ah the close minded are quick to condemn but offer nothing when it comes to ideas of how to invigorate DT or at least stop the slide.

all they do is run? in the past I'd have said don't waste your time chasing them then. now it's nearly impossible to run from a fight that your opponent wants to continue anyways so get into the present and stop living in the past.

oh well when they open a new red server all the people on white servers who would transfer here will go there instead, and a good chunk of the DT population will as well. and all DT will have is the few who don't want to give up their god toons they didn't work for. I'm speaking of those who gained alot more from the chains they were in then gave back to them, since any of the active macroing or leveling types won't mind starting over just the freeloaders.

**oh one spelling mistake, maybe you should be the Grammer Police instead.

[Last Man]

"And don't expect CAREBEARS to come to DT and actually fight, more like running from every single red dot they see"

ROFL, SEEMS TO ME ITS THE OPPOSITE. Whenever I find a scrappy level 80-100 who stays and fights me (level 113 mage) I usually find out he's a carebear who's used to fighting on a higher level and just doesn't know his limit yet (and or he's used to the average home grown DTr's skill level so he thinks he'll win.)

Just my observation as a former carebear who keeps selling "true DTr's" DI's for comps.

DT is where I play now. If they don't change something on this issue though, I will move when a new red server comes out.

To comment on the original idea. Its simple: allow someone to transfer a char, but you reset their total xp to 10 billion and let them spend all their credits and the 10 billion how they want.
I would say DON'T give them any items AT ALL. Make them get their own here.

[Care Police]

I didn't condemn you, if that's what you're saying. I merely disagree with this over-suggested idea.

I pointed out your typo because apparently the world was taught 'loose' = 'lose', which it isn't.

I also gave a view that I think would work. It is over suggested as well but seems the most feesable. A new server would create an equal opportunity environment so all the chained and macro'd tards wouldn't be there. Not that I have a problem with them in the first place because I can compete on DT with my sword person.

[Ivanhoe]

There is no upside to allowing this.

If so many white world players want to play full out pvp then tell them to ask for a new red server if they cant handle dt as it is today.

And yes you would be starting at level 1 on a new red server.

No free rides please. thanks.

[Frank The Knife]

Now what would really rock is if they had a huge dungeon where every server had a portal in and separate drop. Your name would come up Joe (server).
Would be great for server vs server battles.

[kioskies]

NO^x

[Rott_Weiler]

^ that's a no I think :p

you realize CP that a new red server would kill DT's population though don't you?

not that I'm against it, I'd say it's the 2nd best idea.

I'm betting a new red server is rolled out along with the expansion actually.

[Aztek]

Im all for letting them transfer characters but not loot. I made several posts about it here as well as VN boards and the majority favored the concept.

IBN replied on my thread here saying the code for moving items would be hard to write and at this time (was about a month ago) it didnt look like soemthing turbine wanted to do. Thats where I came up with the idea of just mioving the char so the code would be easier to write and the new char would have to work for at least something...

I hope they change their mind and allow this. I would like to see more people to fight on DT.

I dont care how they get the levels, how they obtain the levels needed to be competitive doesnt matter to me. I just want people to battle with.

[Last Man]

"If people want to play with the big dogs in the yard, how about they lvl like everyone else?"

I'll be happy to as soon as you convince Turbine to unnerf chains and stop enforcing UCM's on DT. Until then your comment is worthless.

[Care Police]

Originally posted by Rott_Weiler
^ that's a no I think :p

you realize CP that a new red server would kill DT's population though don't you?

not that I'm against it, I'd say it's the 2nd best idea.

I'm betting a new red server is rolled out along with the expansion actually.

DT's population is already dead due to Turbine's lack of faith in our policing the server and the devs misunderstanding about high value items and how they effect DT players.

Still, letting o.0's to come and not working for anything, isn't that unfair to the person on DT?

[Kanye West]

This idea is teh suq. Sounds like someone wants a free ride because he cant lvl DT the hard, old fashioned way.