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[Mav]

Ok, I really never complain...but wow. Seriously? Ive spent SO SO SO many points/mfks/pristines/time to make my guy look good. Ive over-paid so many times just to get the right type of armor, in the right slot...Ive spent HOURS working out "if I move this here, and that here...I will need this here and Ill be set"...ive done it in note pad...on napkins...even while driving to work on occasion (yes I know, sad, I agree entirely hahah)

I do not support this new idea as in no time everyone will be running around in full epic suits that all look good, and by no time I mean 1-2 days after the patch.

However as much as I dont like the idea, if you do implement it, i hope its like for like, as in, chainmail bp for kouja bp, not chainmail bp for gaunts or bp for shoes. Because both ideas will lead to less of a need for MFK's (aka you can have your full epic suit no matter what you get) but if you let us change the SLOT that the spells were on, well now you effectively given me no reason to make armor pulls.

You should let us change the color of veins/trim, not trade in armor for different armor.

It will further kill the point of questing for mfk's and the eternal quest to keep improving your armor. The ONLY thing I still enjoy about the game is trying to make my main char have a FULL EPIC and awesome looking suit of armor. Now youre telling me I can have the suit of armor of my dreams by just handing in stuff? Meh, sounds like this game is getting as easy as WoW. Rare exchanger, comp exchanger, armor exchanger?

Just my 2 cents.

For those of you who havent read it yet...

http://ac.turbine.com/index.php?opti...cles&Itemid=53


PS Im really not complaining, Im just saying think about this one guys. I love this game, the only "quest" is to have perfect weapons, armor, jewlery, etc etc etc. Once you hit a certain level, theres no point in questing for xp or leveling...whats left to do?

[Severlin]

Our plan is that when you move the stats from one item to another, *all* stats except graphical data will go. This includes armor values. So you won't be able to move spells onto armor with better stats as the armor stats, burden, etc. would be set to the previous armor. So you can't get a statistical advantage from using this system.

Sev~

[Lace-Djinn]

I agree. Heck im still wearing my Full Scalemail suit all single slot with majors and a few epics here and there but not on a grand scale of full epics. I love my scalemail with my Epic Healing/Major Frost Ward horned helmet. (Best looking helms in game btw.)

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Severlin

Our plan is that when you move the stats from one item to another, *all* stats except graphical data will go. This includes armor values. So you won't be able to move spells onto armor with better stats as the armor stats, burden, etc. would be set to the previous armor. So you can't get a statistical advantage from using this system.

Sev~

Sev, first off, youre the man. You are posting all over the forums, the last few days. God thats nice to see for a change, I hope it becomes the norm. Being left in the dark all the time was no good. So thank you Sev!

Only one question that wasnt exactly clarified, can you take stats off an armet and give them to a bp? Because headgear and shoes have WAY higher AL than chain, so taking a 274 base untinked AL armet with epic slash, and applying it to some chain bracers...I dont see this as being good.

I still dont like the system, I mean I assumed it would take *all* the stats, not just the spells. Because again, I have epic magic d and epic focus chain tassets. They are awesome. Cant use em, I have epic will adept on that slot. Now if I can take *all* the stats off chain tassets, and apply them to chain bracers...well thats just going to ruin the "quest for the perfect suit of armor". I would be much less "butt hurt" if you could only apply it to the same slot armor, BUT STILL butt hurt.

Thanks again for the quick response Sev, I hope others will give feedback. Maybe Im the only one that doesnt like this idea, and if so, then fine! But I have a feeling others are with me on this.

[Lace-Djinn]

Originally Posted by Severlin

Our plan is that when you move the stats from one item to another, *all* stats except graphical data will go. This includes armor values. So you won't be able to move spells onto armor with better stats as the armor stats, burden, etc. would be set to the previous armor. So you can't get a statistical advantage from using this system.

Sev~

I think we understand that but the fact that we have taken pride in spending the extra time to make full matching suits of the same armor single slot armor. This will make it so everyone can do it in a very small fraction of the time. Making our efforts meaningless.

[Cordy]

Originally Posted by Mav

Sev, first off, youre the man. You are posting all over the forums, the last few days. God thats nice to see for a change, I hope it becomes the norm. Being left in the dark all the time was no good. So thank you Sev!

I think it was his promotion to producer. He'll get over it eventually.

Grats, Sev.

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by Severlin

Our plan is that when you move the stats from one item to another, *all* stats except graphical data will go. This includes armor values. So you won't be able to move spells onto armor with better stats as the armor stats, burden, etc. would be set to the previous armor. So you can't get a statistical advantage from using this system.

Sev~

When I read about this in the letter I hopped up and danced a merry jig! I've already collected several non-magical pieces with colors and styles to my liking and muled them

I don't care if it costs 10 MFKs per armor style change. I want this!!

[Ruhelos]

Things change. They come up with new ideas, new weapons, new armor. The new loot tier made my covenant armor set effectively worthless - just when I got all my majors, great AL, all imbued and tinkered...along comes AL 509 cov with EPICS that just blows my suit out of the water. But that's how it goes.

This is just a visual change. It's not as if the stats change too. Plus, if the cost to do it (or quest to do it, or however they go about this) is high enough/long enough/hard enough, then we don't have to worry about every single player doing it.

And, if anything, I think it would increase the reason for chest pulls. More pulls = more chance to get the cantrips and AL you want. Then, you can change it for visual appeal, and voila.

I'd like to know how they are going to work out vein/trim color, or if it will be random, OR if it will be standardized (so you KNOW who has done this, and who has built their own suit from the ground up).

I'd also like to know how multi-slot things are going to work. So, if I get a dual epic amuli coat, what can I transfer those stats to - a breastplate, arms, a girth, or just another amuli coat?

[Blendarus]

How would you guys feel if the number of transfers was recorded on each piece of armor? That way, you could show off your armor, because it's been transferred 0 times, and thus is certified found as-is and not tampered with.

I think this is a great thing, because as far as I'm concerned, the #1 rule of equipment in Asheron's Call is: if you look awesome, you are awesome. This would let you have the best of both worlds.

And it's not like there won't still be rare suits. Back before anyone cared about anything but al, and even that didn't matter too much, orange platemail, silver yoroi, even just matched celdon was extremely rare.

I'd really like to see this give rise to single-slot Amuli, Celdon, Koujia, and other traditionally multi-slot armor as well. Transferring a pair of tassets onto Koujia leggings, for example, giving you Koujia tassets. That would be awesome.

It's too massive a feat to add new dyes, but I think this is an even better alternative toward the same end.

[StunnaShades]

Originally Posted by Severlin

Our plan is that when you move the stats from one item to another, *all* stats except graphical data will go. This includes armor values. So you won't be able to move spells onto armor with better stats as the armor stats, burden, etc. would be set to the previous armor. So you can't get a statistical advantage from using this system.

Sev~

Ok, let me get this right, your wanting to make a Tailor that will exchange say this:

[LTx] Silver Chainmail Breastplate, work 8, AL 239 (104%), Epic Piercing Ward, Magic Resistance Self VI, Incantation of Blade Bane, Incantation of Lightning Bane, Brogard's Defiance, Lore 202, Melee Defense 390, Level 150+ to wield, Value 25313, 400 BU

to this...

[LTx] Silver Platmail Breastplate, work 8, AL 239 (104%), Epic Piercing Ward, Magic Resistance Self VI, Incantation of Blade Bane, Incantation of Lightning Bane, Brogard's Defiance, Lore 202, Melee Defense 390, Level 150+ to wield, Value 25313, 400 BU

If i'm right about this, i'm not a fan by all means. However I don't care what the armor looks like I wear, but others do, and pay me the big bucks to get what I found, and that would totally mess that up <3

[Ruhelos]

Or will it just LOOK like platemail, but still fare as well as chainmail? That's possible too.

[Rhesus]

I think an adjunct change to the UI in support of this new feature would be color swatches on ID'ed armor so we could see what the colors were without having to equip the armor.

Something like this:

http://www.vtrii.com/ac/ac_ui_propos...lor_swatch.jpg

[Severlin]

Originally Posted by Mav

Sev, first off, youre the man. You are posting all over the forums, the last few days. God thats nice to see for a change, I hope it becomes the norm. Being left in the dark all the time was no good. So thank you Sev!

Only one question that wasnt exactly clarified, can you take stats off an armet and give them to a bp? Because headgear and shoes have WAY higher AL than chain, so taking a 274 base untinked AL armet with epic slash, and applying it to some chain bracers...I dont see this as being good.

I still dont like the system, I mean I assumed it would take *all* the stats, not just the spells. Because again, I have epic magic d and epic focus chain tassets. They are awesome. Cant use em, I have epic will adept on that slot. Now if I can take *all* the stats off chain tassets, and apply them to chain bracers...well thats just going to ruin the "quest for the perfect suit of armor". I would be much less "butt hurt" if you could only apply it to the same slot armor, BUT STILL butt hurt.

Thanks again for the quick response Sev, I hope others will give feedback. Maybe Im the only one that doesnt like this idea, and if so, then fine! But I have a feeling others are with me on this.

Our plans with this system is you can only move stats from one piece that fills a certain slot (or set of slots) to another. So you could move from bracer to bracer, but not bracer to boot. And if you found good stats on a piece that took up 4 slots (like a full coat) you could only move it to another piece that was a full 4 slot coat. The system is for looks only, not statistical advantage.

Sev~

[Severlin]

Originally Posted by Lace-Djinn

I think we understand that but the fact that we have taken pride in spending the extra time to make full matching suits of the same armor single slot armor. This will make it so everyone can do it in a very small fraction of the time. Making our efforts meaningless.

Ah. Well I understand that. We aren't trying to alienate the people who did it the hardcore way. We are just trying to give players the option of as much customization as possible.

Sev~

[Django]

The current intention of the system is to have armor stats transfer to items of the same number of pieces. Coats to Coats, Leggings to Leggings etc. However this is all still up in the air, we're in the early design stages and still have to finish prototyping.

Edit: Sev, you went home way to snipe my post